Bournemouth-4

[MARKEYD]

Looks like a carbon copy of this years schedule at the moment

There is a large gap on Saturday am now as the LPA flight is not based so it may be a Paphos service is slotted in or something else possibly

Super Break holidays are using Germania on the outbound Funchal flight in October and Travel Service on the return and Santa Holidays are now using Thomas Cook as well as Titan to Ivalao in Dec for their 3 flights

Ryanair have added there usual extra flights over the Christmas period to ALC and AGP in addition to the extra ALC service this winter on a Thursday , now to 3 a week

[FrequentlyFlying]

It’s good to see stability confirmed - actually for someone who uses FR at BOH a lot it’s a huge relief. The room for expansion is clear there when/if Jet2 decide on it 2020, but other developments before with such strong expansion might change that, but at least Rigby seem to be working on a relationship with FR, LCC and buckets and spades will remain the best/only course for BOH.
phew!

[shamrock7seal]

Bad news for BOH

SOU getting a runway extension, terminal extension and new apron parking stands for what seems like 11 A320/737 sized aircraft

They are projecting 4m pax per annum just 9 years from today

[Nakata77]

I’m sorry but Rigby has done nothing fro BOH apart from persuading a BOH customer airline to go into EXT.

TUI have been expanding everywhere and I doubt Rigby are especially credited with that.

BOH needs to work MUCH harder now if it is to compete with a runway extension at SOU. No reason now why Ryanair, Jet2 and EasyJet wouldn’t consider massive expansion at SOU to the total detriment of BOH

[MARKEYD]

Southampton is only getting 4 stands that have been tinkered around with that can take A320 / 737 aircraft , the rest are the same , leaving 13 stands in total . This would include Flybe probably using the 9 stands along the front of the main apron

Rigby have plans no doubt for further expansion , a new MD starts at the beginning of October so may have some news then from him / her ?

Cant believe 5 minutes ago everyone thought BOH was on a role with Jet2 and SOU was doomed now its seems a role reversal , just wait and see guys , its not over yet !!

[stewyb]

Originally Posted by MARKEYD

Southampton is only getting 4 stands that have been tinkered around with that can take A320 / 737 aircraft , the rest are the same , leaving 13 stands in total . This would include Flybe probably using the 9 stands along the front of the main apron

Rigby have plans no doubt for further expansion , a new MD starts at the beginning of October so may have some news then from him / her ?

Cant believe 5 minutes ago everyone thought BOH was on a role with Jet2 and SOU was doomed now its seems a role reversal , just wait and see guys , its not over yet !!

SOU will go with a EZY expansion surely!

[SWBKCB]

Don't think that's SOU's decision to make.

[TCAS FAN]

SWBKCB

SOU are not going to shell out mega bucks unless there is a probability that someone is going to take advantage of it. By comparison SEN have the same width runway, with ILS on runway, similar TORAs (when extension added SOU should have more on 20) and LDAs less than SOU, I'd say that orange may be the new black at SOU!

[SWBKCB]

You might be right but SOU haven't spent anything yet. Let's wait and see once the planning permissions granted and the concrete's poured.

[Flitefone]

Originally Posted by MARKEYD

Southampton is only getting 4 stands that have been tinkered around with that can take A320 / 737 aircraft , the rest are the same , leaving 13 stands in total . This would include Flybe probably using the 9 stands along the front of the main apron

Rigby have plans no doubt for further expansion , a new MD starts at the beginning of October so may have some news then from him / her ?

Cant believe 5 minutes ago everyone thought BOH was on a role with Jet2 and SOU was doomed now its seems a role reversal , just wait and see guys , its not over yet !!

Spot on MarkeyD - SOU has done a good job with the Masterplan, but its a twenty year plan most of which is at least ten years away. It will not have a near or even a mefium term impact for BOH. Masterplans are nothing more than forecasts and plans, which are notoriously flakey - take a look at the SOU 2006 plan compared with what happened since. Delivering the new SOU plan will take years. As regards impact to BOH - it is unlikely that there will be any material effect for at least 5 years. The LGW masterplan due out later this year will likely have more impact to the prospects for both the south coast airports. But again this is still years away.


The near/medium propects for BOH are good, and so far as I can see the management teams at both airports are doing a good job.

[MARKEYD]

Thanks FF

Question , Do all UK airports have to produce a Masterplan for future development or is it just for airports that have over a certain amount of passenger numbers
I haven't seen or heard of anything from say , EXT , BOH , NWI , INV , HUM , NQY etc .....

I know BOH had one back over 10 yrs ago but do they have re produce one now

Cheers

[Flitefone]

Originally Posted by MARKEYD

Thanks FF

Question , Do all UK airports have to produce a Masterplan for future development or is it just for airports that have over a certain amount of passenger numbers
I haven't seen or heard of anything from say , EXT , BOH , NWI , INV , HUM , NQY etc .....

I know BOH had one back over 10 yrs ago but do they have re produce one now

Cheers

Markey, so far as I am aware there is no national obligation for airports to produce masterplans, but local governments may apply different rules. Government nationally is currently reviewing the UK Aviation Strategy and will publish a Green Paper (the draft aviation strategy) around the end of this year. One of the topics being addressed by government is 'making the best use of existing airport infrastructure in the UK' but especially in the south of England, where capacity will be outstripped by demand soonest. Government says it is particularly keen to support sustainable growth in this geographical area. Without question this is in part because the prospects for actually delivering R3 at LHR before the capacity crunch hits are still low.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...ng-runways.pdf

The airport masterplans will quantify for government what airport capacity might be available elsewhere (other than LHR) and when, if the necessary investment is made available, and if planners can be convinced to agree with the proposals. A quick read through any older forecasts and masterplans will quickly highlight that the long term forecasts they contain have become wide of the mark by a large margin. Take a read of either the most recent BOH plan or the 2006 SOU plan to see what I mean. The forecasts of the airports commission are no better, in just a few years the fallibility of even the best forecasters is already clear.

But masterplans are necessary, and as can be seen from the document just published for Southampton, clarify in detail how the airport could develop. Government has also made clear that it will be placing greater emphasis on the environmental sustainability (noise/air quality) of any growth, one reason why current restrictions are unlikely to be relaxed, whether for London airports or elsewhere.

So, expect a number of airports to release updated masterplans in 2018 to support their pitch to government for the national strategy, but don't expect all the plans to come to fruition, and don't expect anything to happen soon.

FF

[SWBKCB]

https://assets.publishing.service.go...-framework.pdf

Airport master plans
4.11
Currently over 30 airports across the UK have adopted master plans. They do not have a statutory basis, but the primary objective of master plans is
to provide a clear statement of intent on the part of an airport operator to enable future development of the airport to be given due consideration in
local planning processes. They also provide transparency and aid long-term planning for other businesses.

[shamrock7seal]

According to Daily Echo, Rigby have said they are targeting 1.5m pax by 2023.

Hardly the expansion that BOH is capable of. And this doesn't seem to indicate a large Jet2 base either. 1.5m is very small and well below BOH's ultimate potential, which in my opinion is 2.5m.

Look at BRS with 8/9m. BOH & SOU have the same catchment size and population as BRS. Between BOH and SOU they should be at least 6m combined by now.

[LTNman]

Good public transport links are key for airport expansion. BOH might as well be on the moon at the moment. The airport will need to attract inbound passengers who don’t want to catch a taxi to escape the delights of the terminal.

[shamrock7seal]

Absolutely agree LTNman.

Apparently there is a rumoured monorail being touted to connect the airport with the main interchange. This can't happen soon enough to be honest to relieve traffic pressure between the town centre and JP Morgan/Hospital/Castlepoint. The extension from Castlepoint to the airport is almost unhindered with open farm land between it and the airport.

However, the airport can't seem to even sustain an hourly bus service which is probably a fraction of the cost of a monorail!!!

[MerchantVenturer]

Originally Posted by shamrock7seal

Look at BRS with 8/9m. BOH & SOU have the same catchment size and population as BRS. Between BOH and SOU they should be at least 6m combined by now.

Bristol is projecting 10 mppa by 2021 and 12 mppa by 2025 with 20 mppa the target by the early 2040s. So yes, you make a valid point about the SOU/BOH catchment.

BRS's runway at 2011 metres is not that much longer than SOU's, and BRS has no plans to extend it in the current round of consultations re the preparation of its new master plan. One major difference between SOU and BOH is likely to be in the actions of the BRS owners (and ownership has varied in the past 20 years). Since BRS was part privatised in 1997 and fully privatised in 2001 its various owners have spent well over £300 million on infrastructure expansion with much more planned both imminently and in the near future.

[FrequentlyFlying]

2023 isn’t too far off and I would think growth to 1.5million would be a shot at realism - Jet 2 base looked likely but is no given things change fast so best to not get carried away - steady growth is better than none or fairy tales - had they put 10million because of
new light railway everyone would have said ‘b@ll&cks!’ This is BOH after all - in reality the combined mega local authority may well
start planning something big once they start up ... I’d rather reality than ‘dreams’ in a masterplan

[MARKEYD]

The Bournemouth Echo today has a great photo of the terminal and surrounding apron and runway with nothing on it !! Don't realise how much space Bournemouth actually has ....

They have also started a BOH vs SOU article with many of the usual uniformed comments gunning for BOH again

[pug]

When did a Jet2 base look likely?