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Can we just role back from idle chit chat and negativity for a little bit longer. Hundreds of staff are now jobless or laid off at the minute and having to take onboard the immense challenge that is a head for us all at BHD. Please can we try and be a little less snowflake and "it's all about me" kind of attitude and look at the bigger picture when posting our thoughts and muses about the future of the City Airport. Aviation is always described as a family, let's show some support to our fellow family.
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Can we just role back from idle chit chat and negativity for a little bit longer. Hundreds of staff are now jobless or laid off at the minute and having to take onboard the immense challenge that is a head for us all at BHD. Please can we try and be a little less snowflake and "it's all about me" kind of attitude and look at the bigger picture when posting our thoughts and muses about the future of the City Airport. Aviation is always described as a family, let's show some support to our fellow family.
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https://www.itv.com/news/utv/2020-03...lybe-collapse/
Think this backs up Alteagod's post. The cynic in me would say this has played into Swissport's hands to a certain degree - get rid of all the workers on decent contracts and replace them with zero hours staff when the airport picks up again.
Unfortunately there are a number of posters on here who seem to take delight in the demise of an airline or route at one or other of the local airports, maybe they forget there is a human element attached or maybe they don't care.
Think this backs up Alteagod's post. The cynic in me would say this has played into Swissport's hands to a certain degree - get rid of all the workers on decent contracts and replace them with zero hours staff when the airport picks up again.
Unfortunately there are a number of posters on here who seem to take delight in the demise of an airline or route at one or other of the local airports, maybe they forget there is a human element attached or maybe they don't care.
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I’ve heard smartest money on any backfill is Ryanair re-build on Stansted, Manchester plus new East Midlands and left-field Exeter or Bournemouth! Also new EZY op on Belfast Leeds. All in planning but deferred pending eye of COVID-19 storm..
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Indeed - ultimately time will tell. Speculation is inherently just that until something is formally announced. Simply offered this info on this forum as the ‘smartest’ speculation/rumour because it seemed more credible in theory and source than some of the other stories doing the rounds - like a rumoured imminent announcement from a turboprop airline seemingly about to launch a host of new regional routes in the wake of Flybe’s failure, despite the current economic environment and the fact that the same airline has only just issued a public warning that they urgently need to cut staff and slash costs purely to survive.
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Now I know I’ll get shot down for saying this and I hope it doesn’t happen as I enjoy travelling through BHD but is this now the time for BFS to offer BA what it wants and make amends with EI to return BFS?
invest heavily with a possible new domestic pier and a better business lounge and make Belfast have one airport?
after brexit is final will EI even be able to fly internally in the UK also
invest heavily with a possible new domestic pier and a better business lounge and make Belfast have one airport?
after brexit is final will EI even be able to fly internally in the UK also
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Now I know I’ll get shot down for saying this and I hope it doesn’t happen as I enjoy travelling through BHD but is this now the time for BFS to offer BA what it wants and make amends with EI to return BFS?
invest heavily with a possible new domestic pier and a better business lounge and make Belfast have one airport?
after brexit is final will EI even be able to fly internally in the UK also
invest heavily with a possible new domestic pier and a better business lounge and make Belfast have one airport?
after brexit is final will EI even be able to fly internally in the UK also
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From Belfast Live
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/b...lfast-17901170
Flybe support motion passed at Belfast City Hall
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/b...lfast-17901170
Flybe support motion passed at Belfast City Hall
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Pprune is full of "armchair CEOs". I'll admit I read that on another thread but it is quite apt!
People who see things from their own point of view and in their opinion that is the only logical option. People who have heard from a friend of a friend and now it is suddenly 100% accurate and what is definitely going to happen.
If those routes were successful from Harbour, it doesn't necessarily translate to a success from Aldergrove. A London City route for example would be competing against Gatwick and Stansted whereas from Harbour it was primarily aimed at business passengers looking city to city connections. Time will tell on all developments I suppose, I will be amazed if there's much movement until this virus has burnt itself out. Its been a double whammy for Harbour, not an easy comeback. Having said that, do any of the oldies here remember when Capital went bust a long time ago, that was the vast majority of Harbour business at that time - early 90s I think? Out of the ashes came the forerunner to FlyBe, well managed in the early days and then a few wrong decisions and the rest is history.
People who see things from their own point of view and in their opinion that is the only logical option. People who have heard from a friend of a friend and now it is suddenly 100% accurate and what is definitely going to happen.
If those routes were successful from Harbour, it doesn't necessarily translate to a success from Aldergrove. A London City route for example would be competing against Gatwick and Stansted whereas from Harbour it was primarily aimed at business passengers looking city to city connections. Time will tell on all developments I suppose, I will be amazed if there's much movement until this virus has burnt itself out. Its been a double whammy for Harbour, not an easy comeback. Having said that, do any of the oldies here remember when Capital went bust a long time ago, that was the vast majority of Harbour business at that time - early 90s I think? Out of the ashes came the forerunner to FlyBe, well managed in the early days and then a few wrong decisions and the rest is history.
I think the main likely outcomes will land somewhere like this for Belfast in the wake of Flybe's collapse;
- Stobart will emerge with an operation on those routes that were most attractive. I'm guessing BHX, MAN, LCY and potentially LBA. The only vehicle available to them in terms of brand now would be Aer Lingus Regional.
- easyJet make a bold decision to consolidate and solidify there Belfast operations and open up BHD, with a single unit based and most routes to/from GB operated from bases over there. This would mitigate the impact of curfew and ops. While at the face of it BHD hadn't been attractive to easyJet, the prospect of wrapping up the market for themselves has to be of considerable interest.
- Eitherway, I suggest easyJet will pick up something in this debacle from BFS (or BHD) LBA and SOU make perfect sense.
- Aer Lingus and BA imho will step up capacity on LHR at the right juncture
- I don't see any FR upside here
On easyJet their dilemma competing with a high frequency prop operation is can we mount a frequent enough schedule viable operation to appeal to the business traveller, this is often a barrier to entry, but now they have the opportunity to overcome that.
Nothing will commence I'd suggest until late April or start of May. Current flying is a blood bath with aircraft flying around empty, this has been well publicised in the various media, so right now is not a good time to launch. However, if BHD is as attractive as has been suggested (by BHD and other sources in the media) I suspect an announcement will come within weeks. I've no exacting info but the above is my assessment of the potential outcomes. Call me an armchair CEO, but I do have experience in the industry so I'm considering all likely outcomes. I'll be watching with interest. Best of luck to all those ex-Flybe staff or indeed ground staff who have lost their jobs.
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I'd go along with your appraisal of the situation, particularly the likely start date of any planned BHD operations. It would be crazy to commence flights in the near future with so much uncertainty of where this will go and a little patience may pay dividends.
I'd go along with your appraisal of the situation, particularly the likely start date of any planned BHD operations. It would be crazy to commence flights in the near future with so much uncertainty of where this will go and a little patience may pay dividends.
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Hopefully !!
Ah. Capital airlines. There boss , I think it was Adrian Thompson came in one day on his Brown Air Gulfstream.
We were all excited to get on board to see the luxury jet
Then we heard Dart engines !
Ah. Capital airlines. There boss , I think it was Adrian Thompson came in one day on his Brown Air Gulfstream.
We were all excited to get on board to see the luxury jet
Then we heard Dart engines !