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[LGS6753]

I wonder if EZY will defend its domestic routes ex-STN, or whether RYR's attack on these services will push EZY further out of STN.

[pabely]

Originally Posted by LGS6753

I wonder if EZY will defend its domestic routes ex-STN, or whether RYR's attack on these services will push EZY further out of STN.

Only Belfast is new, the Scottish routes ran before the crewing issues.

[southside bobby]

Excellent compilation & listing...

MAG`s original aim of diversity is becoming more apparent...

Shame that perhaps BACF have not been able to expand their w/end programme,tho it appears they now have their hands full supporting BAW at LGW in operating over the MON slots.

Quick back of the envelope calculations reveals how well MAG have done so far for the upcoming summer....

Approx 320 extra ATM`s per week...

Approx 62,000 extra seats combined per week...

Regarding Asiana Cargo they are said to be considering a fourth weekly service...

[southside bobby]

Accurate comment regarding RYR/GLA/EDI not being new...

.....However when RYR ceased these services with the crewing issues it was quite heavily trailered by detractors that they would not return as it indicated they were probably lossmaking or certainly with no yield.

Great they are back & with an application for Ryanair UK to continue these services in the event of a disorderly brexit reflects their worth.

[southside bobby]

Regarding EZY it continues to escape recognition that their domestics are very valuable to their own network from STN in also providing feed.

Many of the rotations particularly Scotland are now operated in any case by away based A320`s.

[Skipness One Echo]

Only Belfast is new, the Scottish routes ran before the crewing issues.

Belfast was operated before, to BHD, so more of a relaunch.

Regarding EZY it continues to escape recognition that their domestics are very valuable to their own network from STN in also providing feed.

Not doubting you, but given they don't promote connections as they're a loco point to point operation, how many people are we talking about? Does STN even allow Flight Connections? If I show an onward boarding card to the security person at the end of the corridor to Domestic Arrivals, can I access the departure lounge without going out and joining the back of the queue for security as I am DfT cleared already?

Also you can edit your original post to add to it rather than adding two more minutes later

[southside bobby]

It is well known more SELF connect happens generally than is officially recognised & recorded.

Right pedantically with Belfast but claiming it thank you as it is a London terminus switch again & also as you rightly state a switch of Belfast airport..(without getting again into that debate).

Belfast.....Air Belfast & Jersey European anyone?..

[Skipness One Echo]

It is well known more SELF connect happens generally than is officially recognised & recorded.

In business, unless you can attach a number to it, it doesn't count I'm afraid. It might be "well known" but anecdotal evidence isn't reliable. Am not trying to take STN-BFS away from anyone, just reminding you Ryanair flew the route STN-BHD before, and indeed this is the third go on STN-Glasgow as PIK was axed then GLA was launched then dropped (!) Very good to see them back again.
But genuinely, can I self connect without having to go through security again if I land on a domestic easyJet flight?

[southside bobby]

We beg to differ in the business analysis then...

It does count I`m afraid because although it does not fit your particular modelling the really real businesses for whom it works....(tho of course it could be official & with dedicated facilities again)....are really really £££££ aware!!..

As you say good the domestics will have extra weight behind them in the form of RYR
& yes fully aware of the history of most routes.

You are well aware that domestics have to re clear & more importantly the customers who are doing it know.I imagined that was covered in the wording self connect.

[sinbad73]

Originally Posted by Skipness One Echo

In business, unless you can attach a number to it, it doesn't count I'm afraid. It might be "well known" but anecdotal evidence isn't reliable. Am not trying to take STN-BFS away from anyone, just reminding you Ryanair flew the route STN-BHD before, and indeed this is the third go on STN-Glasgow as PIK was axed then GLA was launched then dropped (!) Very good to see them back again.
But genuinely, can I self connect without having to go through security again if I land on a domestic easyJet flight?

Isn't GLA temporarily dropped due to the pilot debacle?

[southside bobby]

Re starts with the end of the Winter scheds late March 18.

[compton3bravo]

I know that I have said this before, but I do worry where all the 'new' passengers are going to come from not just at Stansted but Gatwick, Birmingham, Luton, etc. The sad demise of Monarch has left some slack to be taken up by I just cannot see the amount of seats available to be filled resulting in the demise of some airlines and job losses unfortunately.

[southside bobby]

Recognize the theoretical concern but one feature at least of STN`s new airlines is diversity & a measured approach by the airlines themselves.

Really does not deserve just to be on the STN thread as it was well known from Day One MAG were in expansive mode & the reasoning for acquiring STN.

BHX suffered/suffers the largest shake out perhaps with the demise of MON as it was never going to increase it`s traffic to accommodate an arriving/expansionist EXS up against & alongside the established incumbents.

[inOban]

For accuracy, the five daily flights to EDI are only on Fridays. One on Saturday, three on Sunday, four Mon to Thurs.

[Skipness One Echo]

Isn't GLA temporarily dropped due to the pilot debacle?

Sadly so.

You are well aware that domestics have to re clear & more importantly the customers who are doing it know.I imagined that was covered in the wording self connect.

Er no. That's not how it works. At MAN, GLA, EDI, LHR etc one can arrive domestically and proceed directly to the gate for their connecting flight. I am asking if STN allows this. Bascially they have someone at the end of the domestic corridor from Sat 2 who is there (I guess) to prevent people wandering left instead of right. Now given all UK arrivals are already security cleared to DfT standards, I was wondering if self connections (on hand baggage only with EZY) would be allowed to just turn left on presentation of onward boarding pass? That's how it works well elsewhere.

It does count I`m afraid because although it does not fit your particular modelling the really real businesses for whom it works....

What?

[AirportPlanner1]

You can self-connect without going back through security if you happen to arrive and depart on services using the domestic pier, and it is used for some international departures. The fact you can do this makes the presence of the guy to turn you back a farce.

[Skipness One Echo]

You can self-connect without going back through security if you happen to arrive and depart on services using the domestic pier, and it is used for some international departures. The fact you can do this makes the presence of the guy to turn you back a farce.

No one is going to risk that though are they? The overwhelming majority of international EZY flights go from Sat 1 so you'd be screwed if your connection is even moderately tight. If I have a valid boarding pass on the EZY app, could I turn left? In fairness, is there anything to stop a departing passenger returning to the lounge once on the 80 gates on Sat 2? It doesn't say no return....given that, what IS that security guy even doing there?
There used to be a similar thing at Glasgow where they had a security check preventing any arriving domestic passengers accessing the then new common departure lounge, no idea why and long since removed (!)

[southside bobby]

Never was anything to stop a departing passenger theoretically returning to the main lounge once on the 80 gates on Sat 2...we advised that if asked but with the added proviso "it is a bit of a walk" ie over the walk bridge & back.

Same with Sat 3 once in the main lounge freedom to move between the two...except for the distances to walk of course.

Although in the same satellite domestic & international are on different levels & totally segregated obviously.

Due to the satellite transit train layout there is no way back from Sat 2 international departures to the main lounge & we emphasized that to departing pax if asked.Also for international pax there is no route/transfer between Sat`s 1 & 2 once in either.

To exit Sat 2 international departures with airside passes we would go down one level to Sat 2 arrivals & access thu a security side door the domestic lounge & walk the bridge to the main lounge.

[STN406]

In terms of domestic arrivals. All flights should park on Satellite 2 parking on stands B30-B32L and C40-C43L and passenger exit via the bridge/walkway to the domestic arrivals area.
If a flight for some reason has to park on any other stand they would be bused to any of gates 81-88 to exit.

In terms of connecting officially you can not go from one flight to another without exiting through arrivals and being re-screened at security.
Though I know some passengers do proceed into the departure lounge by showing their boarding pass to the security officer at the end of the bridge/walkway and saying they went to the wrong gate.

But this shouldn’t be allowed and with the talk of new security processes coming in soon, passengers hoping to seek through should be stopped in the future.

[Skipness One Echo]

Sorry but why “shouldn’t this be allowed”? It’s accepted practice at LHR, GLA and EDI for example. What’s the rationale for reclearing someone already cleared to DfT standards? They don’t need to rescreen at these airports for the reason given. Is this just MAG doing their own thing (again)?