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Old 29th Jan 2020, 17:49
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Originally Posted by _aax1 View Post
Arkia was extremly popular, however something changed and the flights were not busy anymore - I imagine increased competition with Virgin and Wizz. Rumour for sometime at STN is ELAL is moving from LTN to STN.
Would they really move back though? They've been at LTN since 2008/9 and seem to be fairly happy there. IIRC, they've even sent the 772 over to LTN over the last few years during the summer season, so the demand definitely must be there, especially with W6 and U2 now also on the same route. That said, a move back to STN would surely make sense, given Arkia are pulling out, and with U2 only seasonal. From a passenger stand point, it would probably be a welcome change too (e.g. satellite 1 refurb, jet bridges, escape lounge for business class passengers). Will definitely be one to watch- would be nice if this happens, in fact it appears that EL AL have actually been reducing their frequencies at LTN recently (presumably in response to the competition from W6 and U2), so does this strengthen the case of a move back to STN? I guess we will find out soon.
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Old 29th Jan 2020, 18:19
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When ELAL operated to Stansted previously I heard there was an issue about who pays for the cost of the extra security, eg police and this may have resulted in the decision to move the flights to Luton. Maybe the security cost issue at STN has been resolved.
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Old 29th Jan 2020, 19:34
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LTN is just a short drive up the M1 for many Jews and is a far better location than Heathrow. Also direct rail links not that I have ever seen an Orthodox Jew catch the train. I thought El Al moved from Stansted due to better access at Luton but now they might have issues adding extra flights to the the airports seat cap who knows what could happen.
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Old 29th Jan 2020, 23:06
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From what I understand EL AL was successful at Stansted and even used it as a stop over for flight to New York. I personally wouldnít be surprised to see them return to Stansted, same reason as others have mentioned and they can use wide-bodies more often and fill them up. If Iím right a full B772 couldnít depart from Lutonís runway. Apologies if Iím wrong.
Also when the Tel Aviv flights by Arkia do operate its EL AL staff doing the extra security checks. Though this doesnít have anything to do with EL AL return. In regards to Arkia they mostly had good passenger loads when operating previously and the easyJet figures and always quite high to.

In regards to Egypt Air I doubt it would be the passenger side, itís likely to be the Cargo. Theyíve operated before and where meant to begin regular service previously and didnít. Either one would be a nice addition.
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Old 29th Jan 2020, 23:26
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Shouldn't FR have started the route as the dominant carrier at STN and with an already sizeable presence at TLV?
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Old 30th Jan 2020, 01:32
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Originally Posted by JW95 View Post
Would they really move back though? They've been at LTN since 2008/9 and seem to be fairly happy there. IIRC, they've even sent the 772 over to LTN over the last few years during the summer season.
When the service used to be at STN there was also an upgrading of peak equipment, 747s were scheduled for a couple of months each year along with 777s. In fact I think the smallest ac to operate was the 757 rather than the 737 now.

Going back to that changeover to LTN, STN was so close to keeping the upgraded daily service that it even went on sale for a couple of days. This is certainly a credible rumour
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Old 30th Jan 2020, 04:06
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Originally Posted by mariofly12 View Post
Shouldn't FR have started the route as the dominant carrier at STN and with an already sizeable presence at TLV?
Don't believe Ryanair crew would have the operating hours to be able to operate the flight to TLV and back. Otherwise they would have added this by now.
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Old 30th Jan 2020, 07:11
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Originally Posted by STN406 View Post
Don't believe Ryanair crew would have the operating hours to be able to operate the flight to TLV and back. Otherwise they would have added this by now.
No different to EZY who I believe operate there and back same day. Crews go much further such as HRG/SSH so there must be some other reason?
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Old 30th Jan 2020, 07:15
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Originally Posted by pamann View Post
No different to EZY who I believe operate there and back same day. Crews go much further such as HRG/SSH so there must be some other reason?
Ryanair as stricter on their crews operating hours.
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Old 30th Jan 2020, 17:40
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772s have operated into LTN and can leave with a full pax load (not sure about cargo) to TLV from Luton's runway - TLV is not far for a 777.
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Old 30th Jan 2020, 17:47
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Originally Posted by 22/04 View Post
772s have operated into LTN and can leave with a full pax load (not sure about cargo) to TLV from Luton's runway - TLV is not far for a 777.
Very often they use an intersection departure on 26 so runway length not that critical.
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Old 30th Jan 2020, 17:55
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I am sure if El Al returned to Stansted both easy and Wizz would be rubbing there hands with glee and add extra departures from Luton.
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 06:20
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Originally Posted by STN406 View Post
Ryanair as stricter on their crews operating hours.
But FR flies STN-PFO and back the same day and TLV is just 30' away
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 08:26
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Originally Posted by mariofly12 View Post
But FR flies STN-PFO and back the same day and TLV is just 30' away
They also fly Skavsta to Las Palmas, which is further than STN-TLV......
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 08:39
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Originally Posted by mariofly12 View Post
Shouldn't FR have started the route as the dominant carrier at STN and with an already sizeable presence at TLV?
Perhaps a possibility for FR once the 737 MAX comes back online?
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Old 1st Feb 2020, 04:44
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Apparently EZY won't be releasing winter schedule for either STN or SEN. I do hope this is not true (as I will be affected) but in reality how tenable is EZY's position, especially at STN.
It is EZY's policy to be either no 1 or 2 or not really bother but with LS growing and STN getting busier with other airlines EZY does seem to be losing its importance at STN.
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Old 1st Feb 2020, 04:52
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Originally Posted by STN406 View Post
Ryanair as stricter on their crews operating hours.
Not really, both airlines are governed by the same rules (at the moment) and as such same maximum FDP rules apply.
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Old 1st Feb 2020, 05:39
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Originally Posted by lehovec View Post
Apparently EZY won't be releasing winter schedule for either STN or SEN. I do hope this is not true (as I will be affected) but in reality how tenable is EZY's position, especially at STN.
It is EZY's policy to be either no 1 or 2 or not really bother but with LS growing and STN getting busier with other airlines EZY does seem to be losing its importance at STN.
Are you suggesting Easyjet are considering closing down ops at both Stansted and Southend year round ? Hard to have a summer only base...
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Old 1st Feb 2020, 11:18
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Originally Posted by JW95 View Post
Perhaps a possibility for FR once the 737 MAX comes back online?
there are a lot of complexities about operating to Israel which I wont go into for obvious reasons and that makes it an expensive airport to operate from and it may well be that Ryanair have decided its not worth the effort.
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Old 1st Feb 2020, 11:27
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Even if EZY were to shut STN over the winter, and that's a big if, they'd surely not drop the likes of AMS, BFS, EDI, GLA, GVA and just serve from the other end - those routes alone make up the bulk of their winter schedules from STN now anyway.

It is a bit of a strange case though. They've had very little appetit to grow at STN for many years yet they still hold 7 highly valuable first wave slots - you would've thought if there was no strategic importance of STN they would've sold them off for significant value. The problem always comes down to though where else could they expand in the south-east without further airline restructures, mergers or failures? The reality is there will be more to come and will be opportunites to hoover up additional desirable slots at LGW or LTN - but STN is still a contender for growth if required.

SEN, they seem to have found the right balance of routes but you can't ignore the added competiton from FR - I'm not sure to be honest EZY ever expected FR would show up at SEN. Is there room for both? - Answer is I think yes given capacity constraints at other London airports, but EZY rarely like to engage in hardcore price wars with FR, W6 etc. and will instead reduce/shift their network to higher yielding opportunites. Other issue for SEN is the fact that airlines are probably paying next to nothing - which is fine until such a time Stobart realise they need to invest in future facilities.
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