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Old 18th Nov 2019, 11:17
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Originally Posted by BIZZYBOY View Post
What an awful looking and uninviting addition. Who designs these bolt on ideas. Sir Norman Foster would certainly not approve. When you look at Airports around the world they are meant to hold some beauty and be inspiring keeping the romance of air travel fresh and alive. Stansted when built done just that unfortunately it has not maintained or kept to the original look.
Ouch!
Sad to say this is what happens when award winning iconic buildings (YES, I mean you Stansted Airport) need to be adapted at commercial rates to add shareholder value.
It was built as a national asset part of UK PLC, capitalist though I am, this is the price of flogging of the family silver. Worth it though, on balance. Just. Maybe...
But yes, looks awful, am a huge fan of original un-adapted building with clear purpose. MAG has had particular issues where MAN T3 is not being used close to it's designed purpose of high frequency commuter flights for business purposes on mainly 100 seat aircraft, with the odd heavy. MAN T2 also suffers from "Half pint pot" syndrome, but in fairness, STN is now a long way from the hassle free way to board an Air UK 146 to connect via AMS.
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Old 18th Nov 2019, 11:53
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Alas beautifully designed buildings cost more money than basic pre-fabricated sheds... and most of us want to be able to fly as cheaply as possible when going for leisure
Yes there is a limit (Marseille terminal 2, with metal cages, I am looking at you) but Stansted seems to be sufficiently comfortable that people will put up with its desire to extract money from pax via retail
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Old 18th Nov 2019, 12:37
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 View Post
Alas beautifully designed buildings cost more money than basic pre-fabricated sheds... and most of us want to be able to fly as cheaply as possible when going for leisure
Yes there is a limit (Marseille terminal 2, with metal cages, I am looking at you) but Stansted seems to be sufficiently comfortable that people will put up with its desire to extract money from pax via retail
It's not "extra money" in any way, it's core revenue. Airline charges have withered so much that to even cover costs, airports have to discount massively to get the operators in at all, (e.g. Ryanair) and as a consequence, the money comes from retail charges and profit share. The only things that really matter, are safety, security and shopping, there's no other way. There are exceptions like LHR where a premium is paid as yields can be *much* higher, or YYZ where you either pay or fly from Hamilton.
Personally, I grew up watching BAA build shiney new facilities at GLA, only for the market to fragment and move East. It was only the agreed strategy to force growth at GLA what allowed an ROI to justify what GLA now has over EDI. Even though EDI has way more traffic, the facilities at GLA remain superior, with 12 airbridge capable stands, something EDI is only now addressing and only in a rather basic manner.
STN was (re-)built with another world in mind, less Westfield more Heathrow.

BAA was allowed to take a wider strategic view but it was close to being a monopoly, and now we may have gone a little too far the other way?

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Old 18th Nov 2019, 12:48
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
it was only the agreed strategy to force growth at GLA what allowed an ROI to justify what GLA now has over EDI.
I'm not sure thats strictly true as lots of the bigger international carriers/routes post date those decisions by many years eg Delta, Air Canada R, Lufthansa. I'm not even sure, despite the initial subsidy, EK were 'forced' to GLA and 'forced' not to consider EDI at that time.
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Old 18th Nov 2019, 12:59
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount View Post
I'm not sure thats strictly true as lots of the bigger international carriers/routes post date those decisions by many years eg Delta, Air Canada R, Lufthansa. I'm not even sure, despite the initial subsidy, EK were 'forced' to GLA and 'forced' not to consider EDI at that time.

In the 90s I mean, to pay for the expansion of GLA, there was no wish to do more than the basics at EDI. Very similar at LHR, ironically which was starved of real expansion to pay for the all-new STN. Once T4 was built, LHR really began to slide in terms of Terminal infrastructure, I used LGW North for years as the facilities were way better than LHR T1. I wish I had flown through STN in the AirUK years, never did alas.
btw can't believe I only noticed "Vicount" less 's' when someone else pointed it out. #blind
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Old 18th Nov 2019, 13:25
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Double Jet Bridge confirmed for stand A13 and a possible twice daily A380 now mentioned.
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Old 18th Nov 2019, 14:06
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Where is it confirmed?
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Old 18th Nov 2019, 15:32
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As per the previous... Staff briefings.
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 12:01
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Emirates

Would EK really upgauge both daily flights to the A380 straightaway? If they really were to bring the A380 to STN, my thinking is that both existing flights (EK66 and EK68) would be consolidated into a single daily operation.

On the subject of Emirates, is there any news on the new Emirates lounge to be built in satellite 1? If the airline/airport is preparing for daily 388 ops, then I take it construction has already started?
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 12:25
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The lounge is already there just needs fitting out
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 13:14
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The lounge is already there just needs fitting out
Has the lounge been confirmed yet?
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 16:30
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Ready for the highest/first bidder
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 22:31
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Originally Posted by JW95 View Post
Would EK really upgauge both daily flights to the A380 straightaway? If they really were to bring the A380 to STN, my thinking is that both existing flights (EK66 and EK68) would be consolidated into a single daily operation.

On the subject of Emirates, is there any news on the new Emirates lounge to be built in satellite 1? If the airline/airport is preparing for daily 388 ops, then I take it construction has already started?
Some connections were near impossible with just the one flight. It would be pointless to go back to one. I wouldn’t be surprised if the later departure was changed to A380 and the daytime remained 777 to begin. Let’s see. We can only speculate at this stage.
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Old 22nd Nov 2019, 15:46
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Wideroe increases Stansted-kristtiansand route, from x5 weekly to daily, from March 29th 2020.
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Old 22nd Nov 2019, 16:30
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Wideroe increases Stansted-kristtiansand route, from x5 weekly to daily, from March 29th 2020.
It was daily last summer too. They also planned to operate a Stansted - Stavanger route but was cancelled when Wizz launched their Luton route.
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Old 22nd Nov 2019, 20:14
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It was daily last summer too. They also planned to operate a Stansted - Stavanger route but was cancelled when Wizz launched their Luton route.
It was daily only from late June to mid August last summer.
On the reservation site service during winter reduces to 3 weekly.

Wizz fares to SVG this winter look to mostly be around £9 so wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t last, would be great if Widerøe do add SVG or any other routes, STN-KRS fares are always high.
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Old 26th Nov 2019, 17:41
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So what do we make of this...

London Stansted ACL Summer 2020

I’m not the best at reading these grids, but some interesting airlines listed such as;

Vueling to Paris and La Coruña
Correndon to Antalya (presume charter possibly TUI?)
Tus Airways to Larnaca
Indigo to Delhi
Nouvelair Tunise to Enfidha (presume charter possibly TUI?)

There is also mention of Ryanair UK on Turkish routes. Also appears to be extra slots allocated to BA Cityflyer?

I understand that not all of this actually comes to fruition, but definitely interesting. Especially Vueling.

Thoughts?
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Old 26th Nov 2019, 17:41
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Another new route from Jet2.
London Stansted - Mykonos / 2x weekly.
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Old 26th Nov 2019, 17:46
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Atlas Global have suspended flight operations and tickets are no longer being sold
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Old 26th Nov 2019, 17:49
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Atlas Global have suspended flight operations and tickets are no longer being sold
Being reported as ‘temporary’

Atlasglobal temporarily suspends operations
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