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Old 16th Sep 2020, 12:45
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Originally Posted by caaardiff View Post
Your post at 0231am on 15th Sep and the majority of posts that followed it. Forgive me for misinterpreting that post, but it eludes to Hub Airports vs direct routes and lists several European cities. No mention of domestic routes, and although it happens, domestic UK travel via Hub Airports is very rare.
GLA, EDI & BHD are European cities but they are also domestic routes which are served regularly by most Airports with good frequencies. Aside from AMS and CDG, the cities you mentioned in your post on 15th Sept aren't high frequency routes from most Airports. Hence the discussion that transpired regarding frequency and convenience.
I can recall when Air Kilroe started a MAN/CWL/MAN service utilising J31's, at first people were smiling until PDQ the flights were pretty much full, not only is MAN a European city and hub airport but Air Kilroe had a kind of codeshare agreement with Business Air for UK connections to/from the likes of EDI, GLA, DND & ABZ
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 13:53
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Originally Posted by OC37 View Post
I can recall when Air Kilroe started a MAN/CWL/MAN service utilising J31's, at first people were smiling until PDQ the flights were pretty much full, not only is MAN a European city and hub airport but Air Kilroe had a kind of codeshare agreement with Business Air for UK connections to/from the likes of EDI, GLA, DND & ABZ
They did, I used it, rather that the slow train service, but it didn't last long. Before that Manx operated LPL-CWL ( which was more handy for me) on the way to GLA. And way before that a Helicopter did that route, request stop at Wrexham !
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 14:17
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Originally Posted by OC37 View Post
I can recall when Air Kilroe started a MAN/CWL/MAN service utilising J31's, at first people were smiling until PDQ the flights were pretty much full, not only is MAN a European city and hub airport but Air Kilroe had a kind of codeshare agreement with Business Air for UK connections to/from the likes of EDI, GLA, DND & ABZ
It's also about 3 hours away by train.
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Old 19th Sep 2020, 07:38
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Originally Posted by OC37 View Post
I can recall when Air Kilroe started a MAN/CWL/MAN service utilising J31's, at first people were smiling until PDQ the flights were pretty much full, not only is MAN a European city and hub airport but Air Kilroe had a kind of codeshare agreement with Business Air for UK connections to/from the likes of EDI, GLA, DND & ABZ
Got priced out, fees wise by Manchester Airport IIRC, MAN wanted the slot for jet traffic

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Old 21st Sep 2020, 10:38
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CAA Stats August 2020
15,339 passengers used the airport down 92.9% on 2019. Rolling year 677,997 down 59.2% on 2019.

Corfu 1116 -61%
Kos 2150 -29%
Rhodes 1804 -62%
Zakinthos 1202 -82%
Amsterdam 1503 -89%
Faro 1176 -85%
Alicante 637 -95%
Barcelona 349 -89%
Malaga 1348 -91%
Palma de Mallorca 344 -98%
Vagar 83
Antalya 1177 -68%
Dalaman 2620 -71%
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Old 21st Sep 2020, 13:04
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45 View Post
I'm sure management will do what they feel is best for the business. 25 minutes sound's reasonable especially as I'd have thought that the airport was on skeleton crewing. The drop in numbers is no different from other Flybe reliant airports.
CAA Stats July 2020
3506 passengers used the airport in July down 98% on 2019. The rolling year was 879,000 down 46.5% on 2019.
Domestic
Humberside 70
Leeds Bradford 67
Liverpool 68
Teesside 66
European
Faro 818 -88%
Alicante 366 -97%
Barcelona 428 -87%
Malaga 1623 -89%
Waiting 25 minutes for your baggage at a regional airport is not reasonable ! They are times more akin to a major hub. Those of us who have worked in this sector would know this type of performance would be wholly unacceptable in a Service Level Agreement. Service dilution under the guise of covid 19 is wearing thin.
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Old 21st Sep 2020, 13:33
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Originally Posted by Midland Alpha9 View Post
Waiting 25 minutes for your baggage at a regional airport is not reasonable ! They are times more akin to a major hub. Those of us who have worked in this sector would know this type of performance would be wholly unacceptable in a Service Level Agreement. Service dilution under the guise of covid 19 is wearing thin.
Well I was told that time by someone who does work in industry and was a baggage handler at one time as well I believe.
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Old 21st Sep 2020, 13:40
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And as a paying passenger I think it's a reasonable time as well especially at Cardiff where there's very little walking to do to get to the baggage hall compared to the big airports like Heathrow and Amsterdam.
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Old 21st Sep 2020, 13:51
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Grim CAA numbers.....
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Old 21st Sep 2020, 14:18
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Is Cardiff now inside one of the latest Welsh lockdown areas announced today? Even if it is not passengers can’t get there from lockdown areas.
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Old 21st Sep 2020, 14:27
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
Is Cardiff now inside one of the latest Welsh lockdown areas announced today? Even if it is not passengers canít get there from lockdown areas.
No. Newport, Bridgend, Blaenau gwent, merthyr, Caerphilly and Rhondda cynon taff are the areas under lockdown.
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Old 21st Sep 2020, 14:32
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Originally Posted by TOM100 View Post
Grim CAA numbers.....
Same story across the whole country sadly. Going to be a long recovery.
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Old 21st Sep 2020, 16:45
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Originally Posted by Midland Alpha9 View Post
Waiting 25 minutes for your baggage at a regional airport is not reasonable ! They are times more akin to a major hub. Those of us who have worked in this sector would know this type of performance would be wholly unacceptable in a Service Level Agreement. Service dilution under the guise of covid 19 is wearing thin.
The SLA for most charter operators is maximum 40 mins for the last bag to be delivered.
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Old 21st Sep 2020, 16:50
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
Is Cardiff now inside one of the latest Welsh lockdown areas announced today? Even if it is not passengers canít get there from lockdown areas.
CWL is situated in the Vale of Glamorgan, which is surrounded by Bridgend County Borough, RCT and the City & County of Cardiff.
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Old 21st Sep 2020, 16:56
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
Is Cardiff now inside one of the latest Welsh lockdown areas announced today? Even if it is not passengers canít get there from lockdown areas.
You can travel through the lockdown areas to get to/from CWL, but I imagine a lot of people with flights booked from CWL would be from the areas in lockdown.
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Old 21st Sep 2020, 18:19
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Looks like Ryanair have dropped Malta completely. Not onsale on the app anymore. That leaves Faro and Malaga for next summer.
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Old 21st Sep 2020, 18:30
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45 View Post
Looks like Ryanair have dropped Malta completely. Not onsale on the app anymore. That leaves Faro and Malaga for next summer.
Was it not the same around this time last year ? They were late releasing the MLA schedule for most UK airports and not just a CWL issue.....are there any other UK airports on the schedule ? I thought MLA was one of their popular routes ex CWL
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Old 21st Sep 2020, 19:44
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Originally Posted by Letsflycwl View Post
Was it not the same around this time last year ? They were late releasing the MLA schedule for most UK airports and not just a CWL issue.....are there any other UK airports on the schedule ? I thought MLA was one of their popular routes ex CWL
Not as far as I'm aware. Yes Malta has been quite popular but no doubt Covid19 is putting people off from booking. I was thinking about it for January but the uncertainty of whether the quarantine restrictions will still be in place or added again while I'm there put me off as I can't afford to isolate for 2 weeks on basic sick pay and no doubt many are thinking like me.
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Old 21st Sep 2020, 20:44
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45 View Post
Looks like Ryanair have dropped Malta completely. Not onsale on the app anymore. That leaves Faro and Malaga for next summer.
Looks similar across other UK stations that donít have FR bases, presumably (and probably most definitely) Covid related as the MLA route was FRs busiest year-round service from CWL...
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Old 22nd Sep 2020, 04:34
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It’s curious that VY are still operating with such low loads....
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