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Old 20th Oct 2020, 08:31
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
Yet Southend is 24/7. Would they really move to an airport with limited hours?
I believe Jota were told that they would be allocated no night slots when ASL moved in so it wasn't H24 as far as they were concerned. Things changed in that regard after the SEN policy was changed to limit ASL night movements but Jota maybe had had enough by then.

It looks as if they may leave a couple of dormant 146s at SEN but it's a base closure in most senses of the word. Stobart seem to be experts at losing business.
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Old 20th Oct 2020, 09:01
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It looks as if they may leave a couple of dormant 146s at SEN but it's a base closure in most senses of the word. Stobart seem to be experts at losing business.
100%! They’re very out of touch, with a base at Biggin Hill which is considerably closer to central London why would they need a base in SEN too? Losing so many flights and partners during this time will make it hard for them to win new partners in the future, why would an airline want to go into SEN when there’s space in other airports and people who really want to travel won’t think twice about going to STN. The less airlines and flights flying out of SEN means less facilities available to passengers too and who wants to fly from an airport with no shops or restaurants?
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Old 20th Oct 2020, 09:16
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Don't Jota have engineering at SEN? Also, thought there was a restriction on 'airline' operations out of Biggin? or is the Jota work out of SEN mainly positioning elsewhere?
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Old 20th Oct 2020, 09:37
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Biggin Hill opening hours

06:30-23:00 Monday to Friday
08:00-22:00 Weekends and holidays
ILS at one end only

Less hours and more diversions. Maybe Stobart thought they would never go? Does Jota ever fly passengers from the main terminal at SEN, which is now only open 4 days a week?

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Old 20th Oct 2020, 10:26
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
Don't Jota have engineering at SEN? Also, thought there was a restriction on 'airline' operations out of Biggin? or is the Jota work out of SEN mainly positioning elsewhere?
Nearly all their work involves positioning away from SEN, be it pax or freight. They have operated a few charters from the terminal over the years but not many. They do have their maintenance facility at SEN and I guess that will remain there.
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Old 20th Oct 2020, 11:55
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Originally Posted by Expressflight View Post
Nearly all their work involves positioning away from SEN, be it pax or freight. They have operated a few charters from the terminal over the years but not many. They do have their maintenance facility at SEN and I guess that will remain there.
I realise this virus is causing untold problems to the aviation/airline industry, however Stobart seem to be rather inept in limiting the damage at SEN. Soon the only thing rolling down it's runway will be tumbleweed!
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Old 20th Oct 2020, 12:04
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Jota have also recently moved their operations centre a few miles away from the airport to Hockley.

I think talk of a return to the tumbleweed days is premature. I think Stobart have a cunning plan. Making room for a new HQ and mega base for Flybe.....
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Old 20th Oct 2020, 12:10
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Jota have also recently moved their operations centre a few miles away from the airport to Hockley.

I think talk of a return to the tumbleweed days is premature. I think Stobart have a cunning plan. Making room for a new HQ and mega base for Flybe.....
Fingers x'd DC3.
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Old 20th Oct 2020, 12:32
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Will their be room after the Chinese owned Thomas Cook operation moves in with cheap Max's ?
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Old 20th Oct 2020, 14:56
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With due respect to the airports current business plan I doubt Jota moving is going to impact greatly! If that was plane B then they really are in trouble just like most other airports?
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Old 20th Oct 2020, 17:13
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Interesting development. Just one example regarding 24 hr operations. G-JOTR flew back to Manchester late on Saturday evening from Newcastle with the Manchester United team and offials. It then departed for Southend arriving just after 2am on Sunday. This will not be possible if operations move to Biggin, so it would necessitate a night stop with HOTAC etc and added expense which the charterer would have to pay for.
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Old 20th Oct 2020, 19:28
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Originally Posted by compton3bravo View Post
Interesting development. Just one example regarding 24 hr operations. G-JOTR flew back to Manchester late on Saturday evening from Newcastle with the Manchester United team and offials. It then departed for Southend arriving just after 2am on Sunday. This will not be possible if operations move to Biggin, so it would necessitate a night stop with HOTAC etc and added expense which the charterer would have to pay for.
I think Andy Green might be playing Robert Walters at Biggin to get a better deal at Southend. Biggin looks unsuitable for Jota ops and Robert might not be alert to this.....
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 00:59
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Any good news for Southend?
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 05:13
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Can’t find the report now but I did read that Southend’s FBO was now operating with 8am to 4pm opening hours and outside those hours it was PPR. I assume PPR means an extra charge if Stobart agrees to keep the inglenook fire roaring into the early evening.
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 23:15
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Someone at SEN has woken up to other means of generating income - even if only in tiny amounts!

"London Southend Airport is offering five or more visual touch and go circuits for £5. The offer is applicable to aircraft with MTOW of 1.4T and below. PPR is required via Southend ATC and bookings can only be made a maximum of 24 hours in advance for non-based aircraft. Bookings are limited and will be made on a first come first served basis.5 or more touch and go's must be completed to qualify for the deal. Landing for parking will entail further fees."
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 23:17
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There was a time when SEN seemed to be turning its back on light aircraft.
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Old 22nd Oct 2020, 07:56
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Other means of generating income...

Raised in a public comments section on issues enveloping SEN published locally an interesting line from a resident states that it is their understanding the Council has given the airport tax payers money.
Unconfirmed & unproven as yet of course but perhaps draws the conclusion local posters on here are possibly funding their local airport too.
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Old 22nd Oct 2020, 08:41
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Originally Posted by southside bobby View Post
Other means of generating income...

Raised in a public comments section on issues enveloping SEN published locally an interesting line from a resident states that it is their understanding the Council has given the airport tax payers money.
Unconfirmed & unproven as yet of course but perhaps draws the conclusion local posters on here are possibly funding their local airport too.
If true it is a bad move. Companies in trouble go to their shareholders not the council taxpayer. Luton Council, who is the airports shareholder, has loaned its airport £60m for this financial year and another £23m promised next year to stave off bankruptcy. Meanwhile it has cut every service possible to save money.

Meanwhile I found this bit of the Notam referring to the Southend FPO opening hours.

Q) EGTT/QFAXX/IV/NBO /A /000/999/5134N00042E
A) EGMC
B) 20/10/03 14:00 C) 20/11/03 17:00
E) THE STOBART JET CENTRE IS OPEN AND ACCEPTING FLIGHTS. THE OPERATIONS OFFICE WILL BE ACCEPTING HANDLING REQUESTS DAILY BETWEEN 0800 AND 1600UTC, FOR ANY HANDLING REQUESTS OUTSIDE OF THESE HOURS PLEASE CONTACT OPS(A)STOBARTJETCENTRE.COM OR CALL +44 (0)1702 538 600 WITHIN THE OPERATING OPENING TIMES FOR PRIOR APPROVAL AND PPR.
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Old 22nd Oct 2020, 09:12
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Originally Posted by DC3 Dave View Post
I think talk of a return to the tumbleweed days is premature. I think Stobart have a cunning plan. Making room for a new HQ and mega base for Flybe.....
😂😂😂, Flybe would be starting back up with a much smaller fleet and route map and why would they chose to go into SEN? Pax numbers out of SEN on flybe flights were poor! 20 pax on a flight would be a busy flight for them, the only reason Flybe was operating out of SEN was because Stobart Air operated the flights.
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Old 22nd Oct 2020, 10:10
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Originally Posted by Hawthorne View Post
😂😂😂, Flybe would be starting back up with a much smaller fleet and route map and why would they chose to go into SEN? Pax numbers out of SEN on flybe flights were poor! 20 pax on a flight would be a busy flight for them, the only reason Flybe was operating out of SEN was because Stobart Air operated the flights.
My comments were very much tongue in cheek as were, I assume, yours.

Or would you like to back up your 20 pax on a flight would be busy for them statement? But don’t be selective. Across all routes please and over a reasonable period of time.

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