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Old 5th Apr 2018, 17:28
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Two American airlines have been desperate to create a route from Belfast? Delta and American, lol.

From where?

United probably wouldn't want to come back to Belfast with the removal of quite a few 757 routes recently.
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Old 5th Apr 2018, 17:40
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Originally Posted by owenc View Post
Two American airlines have been desperate to create a route from Belfast? Delta and American, lol.

From where?

United probably wouldn't want to come back to Belfast with the removal of quite a few 757 routes recently.
I dont think you will see united full stop.
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Old 5th Apr 2018, 18:42
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I agree. They've changed their tune towards British Isles routes!
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Old 5th Apr 2018, 20:12
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They could return with the MAX -10s. According to some united crew, The reason they pulled the some of the 757 flights was because they made an agreement with Pilots and CC to utilize the 757s on Hawaiian routes.
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Old 5th Apr 2018, 22:44
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Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc View Post
Just thinking about attracting a North American legacy carrier. UA had subsidies and an exemption from APD when they were in, so naturally DL, AA, AC would want similar if they were to consider flying to BFS. With no Stormont in place to approve/finance, would such a deal be possible right now?
All flights over 4 hours are exempt from APD I believe
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Old 5th Apr 2018, 23:05
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These developments around Norwegian US Routes may seem minor but perhaps the timing and mood music surrounding them for Dublin won’t turn out to be too clever?

It is totally obvious that Dublin are determined to maintain a Monopoly as an entry point for tourists onto the island of Ireland and this development reeks. The guys in Cork, who were extensively used by the airline and DUB to promote the case for a licence for Norwegian Air to operate Transatlantic, are totally livid at how they have been abused by Dublin and essentially cast aside. They are calling now for a dedicated Investment Agency to promote the regional economic needs of other parts of the country in the eastern seaboard area of the US, in lieu of the role being undertaken by Tourism Dublin!

Meanwhile the removal of the Norwegian flights from Belfast, not too long after a prospective deal to keep United in Belfast was dobbed in to the EU for investigation, with a strong entrail stretching south to the only direct beneficiaries of UA’s departure from BFS, seriously calls into question any logic in NI continuing to hand over £millions each year to Dublin for “tourism promotion” when it is clear all of this money is being scooped exclusively to sustain and support Dublin!

A lot of things remain uncertain, and will do so for the next few months. It will be interesting to see what impact the blind greed of Dublin, manifest in these types of setbacks for everyone else, including Belfast, will have on the detail of key matters like external tourism promotion when everyone has had their say and the portcullis ultimately gets lowered between the U.K. and the EU.
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Old 5th Apr 2018, 23:10
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Originally Posted by OneBellEnd View Post
These developments around Norwegian US Routes may seem minor but perhaps the timing and mood music surrounding them for Dublin won’t turn out to be too clever?

It is totally obvious that Dublin are determined to maintain a Monopoly as an entry point for tourists onto the island of Ireland and this development reeks. The guys in Cork, who were extensively used by the airline and DUB to promote the case for a licence for Norwegian Air to operate Transatlantic, are totally livid at how they have been abused by Dublin and essentially cast aside. They are calling now for a dedicated Investment Agency to promote the regional economic needs of other parts of the country in the eastern seaboard area of the US, in lieu of the role being undertaken by Tourism Dublin!

Meanwhile the removal of the Norwegian flights from Belfast, not too long after a prospective deal to keep United in Belfast was dobbed in to the EU for investigation, with a strong entrail stretching south to the only direct beneficiaries of UA’s departure from BFS, seriously calls into question any logic in NI continuing to hand over £millions each year to Dublin for “tourism promotion” when it is clear all of this money is being scooped exclusively to sustain and support Dublin!

A lot of things remain uncertain, and will do so for the next few months. It will be interesting to see what impact the blind greed of Dublin, manifest in these types of setbacks for everyone else, including Belfast, will have on the detail of key matters like external tourism promotion when everyone has had their say and the portcullis ultimately gets lowered between the U.K. and the EU.
If it wasn't for DUB and the daa Cork would not of secured Air France, Iberia, Swiss and even Norwegian. Very few are interested in Belfast.

In fact providence has struggled ex DUB as well.

The only loses from a border will be those in NI, even Arlene knows that...
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Old 5th Apr 2018, 23:29
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Originally Posted by OneBellEnd View Post
These developments around Norwegian US Routes may seem minor but perhaps the timing and mood music surrounding them for Dublin wonít turn out to be too clever?

It is totally obvious that Dublin are determined to maintain a Monopoly as an entry point for tourists onto the island of Ireland and this development reeks. The guys in Cork, who were extensively used by the airline and DUB to promote the case for a licence for Norwegian Air to operate Transatlantic, are totally livid at how they have been abused by Dublin and essentially cast aside. They are calling now for a dedicated Investment Agency to promote the regional economic needs of other parts of the country in the eastern seaboard area of the US, in lieu of the role being undertaken by Tourism Dublin!

Meanwhile the removal of the Norwegian flights from Belfast, not too long after a prospective deal to keep United in Belfast was dobbed in to the EU for investigation, with a strong entrail stretching south to the only direct beneficiaries of UAís departure from BFS, seriously calls into question any logic in NI continuing to hand over £millions each year to Dublin for ďtourism promotionĒ when it is clear all of this money is being scooped exclusively to sustain and support Dublin!

A lot of things remain uncertain, and will do so for the next few months. It will be interesting to see what impact the blind greed of Dublin, manifest in these types of setbacks for everyone else, including Belfast, will have on the detail of key matters like external tourism promotion when everyone has had their say and the portcullis ultimately gets lowered between the U.K. and the EU.
Norwegian only care about DUB & SNN, cut services from all other airports
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Old 5th Apr 2018, 23:42
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Originally Posted by snn20 View Post
Norwegian only care about DUB & SNN, cut services from all other airports
You are aware that Norwegian are suspending PVD to ORK and SNN for winter 2018/19.
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Old 6th Apr 2018, 00:13
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Originally Posted by canberra97 View Post
You are aware that Norwegian are suspending PVD to ORK and SNN for winter 2018/19.
Fully aware of it, I’m also aware of Norwegian increasing SNN-SWF to 4x weekly for the winter compared to 2x weekly last winter. They’ve also increased SNN-SWF from 2x weekly last summer to 3x weekly this summer as well as SNN-PVD from 2x last summer to 4x this summer...no loss of seats but a gain in fact
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Old 6th Apr 2018, 01:33
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Could it be that people actually want to travel to Dublin?

It was painfully obvious that Norwegian would struggle with Belfast outside of the short summer season.
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Old 6th Apr 2018, 06:39
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Originally Posted by EI-EIDW View Post
If it wasn't for DUB and the daa Cork would not of secured Air France, Iberia, Swiss and even Norwegian. Very few are interested in Belfast.

In fact providence has struggled ex DUB as well.

The only loses from a border will be those in NI, even Arlene knows that...
This forum has nothing to do with politics, so please stop forcing your opinion down our throats.
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Old 6th Apr 2018, 09:33
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Admirable level of Dublin arrogance exhibited there folks.


"Very few are interested in Belfast" is a line taken directly from Paddy Goebbels Guide to Marketing the island of Ireland!


Of course no Dubliner is going to encourage visitors to go to Belfast. That is why the present system of external marketing is such a farce.


Futile as it is to elaborate I'll merely mention Titanic (The World's Best Visitor Attraction), the Giants Causeway, Game of Thrones, British Open Golf at Royal Portrush (2019) - for starters.


No one is suggesting people don't want to go to Dublin. It's just that they don't ALL want to go to Dublin, whether they're coming from Britain where their £ is worth the same in Belfast, but not in Dublin - or indeed from New York or Toronto. But the way things are set up, visitors are effectively being corralled into Dublin, whether they like it or not.


If Dublin was 'all that' perhaps Mr Cowen would not have produced such a creditable impersonation of Oliver Twist in Brussels, Berlin and London a few short years ago?


Let's see what transpires.
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Old 6th Apr 2018, 10:03
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The island of Ireland is way to small for 10 airports. Dublin is within 3hrs drive from all parts of the country...in the USA people would drive for way more than that to get to an airport. And anyway this page isnít for politics, Iím sure there are many others out there that are
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Old 6th Apr 2018, 10:15
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Originally Posted by snn20 View Post
The island of Ireland is way to small for 10 airports. Dublin is within 3hrs drive from all parts of the country...in the USA people would drive for way more than that to get to an airport. And anyway this page isnít for politics, Iím sure there are many others out there that are
The more trash I read on here from southeners makes me more determined to avoid using Dublin Airport at all costs.
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Old 6th Apr 2018, 10:30
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Originally Posted by snn20 View Post
The island of Ireland is way too small for 10 airports. Dublin is within 3hrs drive from all parts of the country...in the USA people would drive for way more than that to get to an airport. And anyway this page isnít for politics, Iím sure there are many others out there that are
Realistically the island needs three airports - BFS, DUB and either ORK/SNN. The island is simply too big to have just one airport, and poor road infrastructure (particularly in the west of the island) means that driving for 3 hours in Ireland is a lot less comfortable than driving for 3 hours on a US highway.

Furthermore, the fact that the island is composed of two sovereign nations means that there will always be at least two airports - one in both Belfast and Dublin.
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Old 6th Apr 2018, 10:37
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Originally Posted by A320.b744 View Post
Realistically the island needs three airports - BFS, DUB and either ORK/SNN. The island is simply too big to have just one airport, and poor road infrastructure (particularly in the west of the island) means that driving for 3 hours in Ireland is a lot less comfortable than driving for 3 hours on a US highway.

Furthermore, the fact that the island is composed of two sovereign nations means that there will always be at least two airports - one in both Belfast and Dublin.
With the improving road and rail network NOC, WAT, KIR are definitely under threat in the long term. LDY is in the same situo
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Old 6th Apr 2018, 10:46
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Originally Posted by A320.b744 View Post
Realistically the island needs three airports - BFS, DUB and either ORK/SNN. The island is simply too big to have just one airport, and poor road infrastructure (particularly in the west of the island) means that driving for 3 hours in Ireland is a lot less comfortable than driving for 3 hours on a US highway.

Furthermore, the fact that the island is composed of two sovereign nations means that there will always be at least two airports - one in both Belfast and Dublin.
Others view Ireland as an island nation with two jurisdictions and an invisible border. Keep your politics to yourself on this thread..
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Old 6th Apr 2018, 10:54
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Reality says otherwise.
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Old 8th Apr 2018, 09:39
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Don’t know if has been previously mentioned VRN on sale for winter 18/19 starting January
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