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Old 4th Apr 2018, 17:13
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Originally Posted by AerRyan View Post
Different markets. How many times does it have to be said?

Take a look at the North East, with the many families of Asian or African descent. Take a look at Northern Ireland, not a patch on that.
I know you are keen to dismiss Northern Ireland and our market.

We have approximately 20,000 people of Asian descent here so not tiny.

Our passenger market is around 9 million which is larger than NCL's 4 million.

I am sure we could handle a Middle Eastern route.
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Old 4th Apr 2018, 17:22
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Old 4th Apr 2018, 17:42
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I don't think Newcastle is anywhere near that population...maybe Tyne & Wear, Northumberland and Durham together...., but in that case Northern Ireland is around 1.8m.
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Old 4th Apr 2018, 17:44
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I see Jet2 has 4 departures tomorrow morning. Is it now a 4 aircraft base?
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Old 4th Apr 2018, 17:45
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Originally Posted by owenc View Post
I know you are keen to dismiss Northern Ireland and our market.

We have approximately 20,000 people of Asian descent here so not tiny.

Our passenger market is around 9 million which is larger than NCL's 4 million.

I am sure we could handle a Middle Eastern route.
I would recommend that you read my previous post, which shows that the ‘BFS/BHD handle more passengers than NCL’ argument is simply pointless and misleading.

If Northern Ireland was connected to GB by road/train, then passenger numbers from BFS/BHD would plummet. Remember - 73% of BFS/BHD passengers in 2017 were domestic. A more fair analysis is by looking at international passengers, in which NCL handles more than double the number from BFS/BHD, or by looking at hub links - NCL thrashes BFS/BHD on this measure as well.

Also, BFS/BHD have a 120 min catchment area of 1.95 million. NCL’s 120 min catchment area is 3.7 million. It’s much more accurate to use these figures given by the airports instead of saying Belfast doesn’t deserve a ME3 route because it is smaller than Newcastle. Afterall, the cities don’t encompass the entire catchment area. One point worth noting is that while approximately half of BFS/BHDs catchment area is solely theirs, almost all of NCLs catchment area overlaps with those of EDI, GLA and MAN.

However, your point with regards to the Asian population of NI is interesting. Just because NI has a small Asian population, it doesn’t necessarily mean that a ME3 route isn’t sustainable. After all, there are only approx 60,000 Asians living in Ireland, and they make up roughly the same percentage of the Irish population as in Northern Ireland
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Old 4th Apr 2018, 17:55
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Originally Posted by Fly757X View Post
Exactly, much more respected in the local market. I doubt it would be United but American or Delta could be candidates. Just remember I am speaking out of my backside and I have no information. Just suggesting that It is an option considering how bum-hurt BFS were when the United was only seasonal too at one point, thus they would consider other options and the only options are the Legacy carriers.
Not sure they are the only options...
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Old 4th Apr 2018, 18:11
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Originally Posted by SecondDog View Post
Not sure they are the only options...
Indeed. Air Canada are launching YYZ-SNN and YUL-DUB on the Max this year, and Itís only a matter of time before JetBlue start plying the Atlantic on 321LRs.
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Old 4th Apr 2018, 18:52
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We need a legacy carrier.
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Old 4th Apr 2018, 19:04
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Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc View Post
Indeed. Air Canada are launching YYZ-SNN and YUL-DUB on the Max this year, and Itís only a matter of time before JetBlue start plying the Atlantic on 321LRs.
I personally would consider Air Canada as a "Legacy carrier" others would disagree As for JetBlue it is reasonable but their A321NEOS are coming in 2019.
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Old 4th Apr 2018, 19:10
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Originally Posted by True Blue View Post
I see Jet2 has 4 departures tomorrow morning. Is it now a 4 aircraft base?
Indeed, 3 -300s and 1 -800. G-GDFL came from EDI today.
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Old 4th Apr 2018, 20:19
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Originally Posted by owenc View Post
We need a legacy carrier.
You wouldnít call Air Canada a legacy carrier?
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Old 4th Apr 2018, 20:29
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I don't see Air Canada coming here. They went to SNN and that part of the Island doesn't have strong links with Canada, so there's little chance of them coming here.
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Old 4th Apr 2018, 20:36
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Originally Posted by owenc View Post
I don't see Air Canada coming here. They went to SNN and that part of the Island doesn't have strong links with Canada, so there's little chance of them coming here.
What an absurd comment to make, thousands of people from this side of the island moved to canada during the recession...links with canada go all the way back to the great famine.
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Old 4th Apr 2018, 21:18
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Originally Posted by emma1 View Post
Ezy A320 NEO coming to BFS this month for a week
We were meant to get a neo in june for the season, does that mean this neo is just a week long or a longer stay?
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Old 4th Apr 2018, 21:44
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It’s not just Asians that would use a ME3, what about all of the people connecting to Aus/NZ. Lots of people from NI travel there for leisure and there are strong Irish links in that part of the world.

Maybe this has already been discussed, but I see that NAS is reducing SWF to seasonal? Although EDI and SNN are also being treated the same.
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Old 4th Apr 2018, 21:53
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Originally Posted by MaverickPrime View Post
Itís not just Asians that would use a ME3, what about all of the people connecting to Aus/NZ. Lots of people from NI travel there for leisure and there are strong Irish links in that part of the world.

Maybe this has already been discussed, but I see that NAS is reducing SWF to seasonal? Although EDI and SNN are also being treated the same.
ORK/EDI/SNN-PVD cut for the winter, BFS-SWF cut, BFS-PVD was always seasonal. SNN-SWF increased from 2x weekly last winter to 4x weekly this coming winter. DUB-SWF going to 2x daily in the winter.
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Old 5th Apr 2018, 14:35
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Old 5th Apr 2018, 15:22
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Just thinking about attracting a North American legacy carrier. UA had subsidies and an exemption from APD when they were in, so naturally DL, AA, AC would want similar if they were to consider flying to BFS. With no Stormont in place to approve/finance, would such a deal be possible right now?
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Old 5th Apr 2018, 16:21
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Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc View Post
Just thinking about attracting a North American legacy carrier. UA had subsidies and an exemption from APD when they were in, so naturally DL, AA, AC would want similar if they were to consider flying to BFS. With no Stormont in place to approve/finance, would such a deal be possible right now?
I think so because the money and policy was all in place before Stormont was collapsed.
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Old 5th Apr 2018, 16:38
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Given that the final deal Stormont gave to United was rejected by the EU on grounds of state aid, wouldn't that mean that United (or indeed another airline) could be given that same deal once we leave the EU? It would be interesting to know if United and BFS have already come to an agreement that would see the route reinstated when the funds are made available post Brexit. That being said, I know that at least two US carriers have been knocking on BFS management's door, so maybe there's a deal being made with one of United's rivals...
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