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Old 7th Mar 2018, 17:44
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If ifs and buts where pots and pans we'd all be tinkers. Im reading but just hearing white noise re Canada and Norwegian from Belfast. Me thinks from DUB more likely
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Old 7th Mar 2018, 19:22
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If ifs and buts where pots and pans we'd all be tinkers. Im reading but just hearing white noise re Canada and Norwegian from Belfast. Me thinks from DUB more likely
Why not both? The Max will do Toronto as well as it will do New York, so no need to fill a 787...and the market is certainly there.
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Old 7th Mar 2018, 20:20
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It will do Toronto but it will be going to Hamilton just down the road where the fee’s will be less and no doubt Norwegian will add a shuttle bus to downtown just have they have done at Stewart.

The next batch of MAX deliveries start in May.

Edinburgh will likely miss out unless the SNP deliver on their promise to slash APD, no such issues in DUB and BFS is APD exempt for long haul routes.
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Old 8th Mar 2018, 00:16
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I'm amazed that there hasn't been a direct service to Canada for so long.
I used to be a travel agent and I remember Ulster Maple Leaf, Chieftain Tours and later Globespan filling planes all summer!
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Old 9th Mar 2018, 16:20
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Ryanair Summer 2018

Faro being added again for Summer 2018. Twice weekly from 2nd June to 18th August. Looks like BFS based aircraft doing the flights.
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Old 9th Mar 2018, 16:22
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Great to see, but why leave it so late? Surely January would have been a better time to launch / promote FAO

Looks like finishing 28th August?

They are cancelling the late STN service on Saturdays to accommodate FAO and Tuesday was previously the Berlin flight
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Old 9th Mar 2018, 16:24
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Wonder will the evening Stansted flight be added back but operated by Stansted based aircraft?

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Old 9th Mar 2018, 16:45
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I see TUI Summer 2019 schedules will be released on 5th April.
Wouldn't be surprised to see Turkey return for TUI at BFS.
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Old 9th Mar 2018, 16:56
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Wonder will the evening Stansted flight be added back but operated by Stansted based aircraft?
I doubt it. Ryanair's Saturday night STN flight is one of their least busy flights given that very few business and leisure passengers wish to travel on a domestic route at that time. The flight is only cancelled for 3 months, which is peak summer season, meaning all of Ryanair's aircraft are operating with a full schedule. It doesn't make business sense to potentially forgo more lucrative leisure routes from STN than to operate BFS-STN x1 weekly using a STN based aircraft.

Cutting back on domestic routes in favour of leisure routes is very common during peak summer season, with both easyJet and Flybe doing it across their Belfast networks.

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I see TUI Summer 2019 schedules will be released on 5th April.
Wouldn't be surprised to see Turkey return for TUI at BFS.
TUI only base one aircraft at BFS during the summer season, and it has a full schedule. If TUI were to add a new route from BFS, they would have to a) base a second aircraft (very unlikely) or b) reduce frequencies on existing routes.
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TUI only base one aircraft at BFS during the summer season, and it has a full schedule. If TUI were to add a new route from BFS, they would have to a) base a second aircraft (very unlikely) or b) reduce frequencies on existing routes.
Maybe replace Las Palmas or stop the Tuesday flights to Reus and the Tuesday night Palma.
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Originally Posted by BFS BHD
Maybe replace Las Palmas or stop the Tuesday flights to Reus and the Tuesday night Palma.
It all depends on what routes make TUI the most money from BFS
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Good to see the Ryanair Faro back on sale, especially with Aer Lingus cutting back from Belfast.

Be interesting to see what TUI programme for 2019. Their current BFS operation is very Spain biased with multiple frequencies on Palma and Reus. The return of Dalaman is certainly a possibility, perhaps something less obvious like Dubrovnik, or Pula. Or what about a Hurghada or even a Cape Verde? Sharm worked well from Belfast before the general problem there, helped enormously by incurring no APD from Belfast. Both Hurghada and Cape Verde would also qualify for Zero APD, based on range.
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Old 10th Mar 2018, 07:35
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And something different from the norm
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Have always fancied Cape Verde. Northern Ireland folk though.....
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Old 11th Mar 2018, 07:54
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Originally Posted by SecondDog
Have always fancied Cape Verde. Northern Ireland folk though.....
The problem with Cape Verde is that a single round trip takes up a full day. Currently TUI can fly one round trip to the Canaries/Greece and up to two round trips to the Balearics/Spain in one day. TUI would have to be making a fortune on a potential Cape Verde route in order to sacrifice three flights for just one.
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Was SSH in Egypt not near a full day plus xtra crew carried as well from Belfast. Did it not do an early PMI beforehand
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Originally Posted by Alteagod
Was SSH in Egypt not near a full day plus xtra crew carried as well from Belfast. Did it not do an early PMI beforehand
TUI base only one aircraft at BFS during the summer season, and is the airline's only seasonal base. TUI's sole aircraft has a full schedule, meaning in order to add Cape Verde or Egypt, other routes will need to be axed.

It is possible to operate both PMI and Cape Verde within in a 24 hour period, but the logistics of doing so from BFS make it an unattractive option.

TUI's morning departures to Spain leave BFS between 05:30-06:00. That means that the latest an aircraft returning from Cape Verde can arrive at BFS is 04:30-05:00. This requires the previous morning's departure to Spain to leave before 05:00, which on some days forces the evening before's flight to be shifted further forward and so on. Given that the vast majority of TUI's routes from BFS are operated by other airlines, passengers would choose their more convenient departure times over an extremely early TUI departure.

In addition, TUI's afternoon departures are to destinations only served x1 weekly, except for on a Tuesday, when a second weekly flight to REU and fourth weekly flight to PMI operate instead. Logic would dictate that TUI would choose Tuesday to operate a potential route to Cape Verde, as they wouldn't want to completely axe one of their destinations from BFS. So TUI would replace x2 flights to Spain with x1 flight to Cape Verde. This means that TUI would offer 6,803 fewer seats from BFS each year, which is 6.25% of the total available seats offered from BFS in 2018. TUI would consequently make less money from BFS, given the average price spent per person on a trip to Cape Verde does not exceed that of a trip to REU and a trip to PMI.

So, by operating a route to Cape Verde from BFS;

-TUI offer fewer seats from BFS and makes less money from their base.
-Fewer passengers fly to Spain with TUI because of unattractive flight times, meaning the airline makes even less money.

While it would be great to see TUI offering more destinations from BFS, the fact that BFS is TUI's sole seasonal base, and is operated by a Sunwing aircraft, makes it clear that TUI are not interested in the NI market. A permanent base, or at least a second aircraft, would make destinations such as Cape Verde a more feasible option, but by the looks of things, what BFS has currently got is as good as it gets from TUI.
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Old 11th Mar 2018, 12:25
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TUI base only one aircraft at BFS during the summer season, and is the airline's only seasonal base. TUI's sole aircraft has a full schedule, meaning in order to add Cape Verde or Egypt, other routes will need to be axed.

It is possible to operate both PMI and Cape Verde within in a 24 hour period, but the logistics of doing so from BFS make it an unattractive option.

TUI's morning departures to Spain leave BFS between 05:30-06:00. That means that the latest an aircraft returning from Cape Verde can arrive at BFS is 04:30-05:00. This requires the previous morning's departure to Spain to leave before 05:00, which on some days forces the evening before's flight to be shifted further forward and so on. Given that the vast majority of TUI's routes from BFS are operated by other airlines, passengers would choose their more convenient departure times over an extremely early TUI departure.

In addition, TUI's afternoon departures are to destinations only served x1 weekly, except for on a Tuesday, when a second weekly flight to REU and fourth weekly flight to PMI operate instead. Logic would dictate that TUI would choose Tuesday to operate a potential route to Cape Verde, as they wouldn't want to completely axe one of their destinations from BFS. So TUI would replace x2 flights to Spain with x1 flight to Cape Verde. This means that TUI would offer 6,803 fewer seats from BFS each year, which is 6.25% of the total available seats offered from BFS in 2018. TUI would consequently make less money from BFS, given the average price spent per person on a trip to Cape Verde does not exceed that of a trip to REU and a trip to PMI.

So, by operating a route to Cape Verde from BFS;

-TUI offer fewer seats from BFS and makes less money from their base.
-Fewer passengers fly to Spain with TUI because of unattractive flight times, meaning the airline makes even less money.

While it would be great to see TUI offering more destinations from BFS, the fact that BFS is TUI's sole seasonal base, and is operated by a Sunwing aircraft, makes it clear that TUI are not interested in the NI market. A permanent base, or at least a second aircraft, would make destinations such as Cape Verde a more feasible option, but by the looks of things, what BFS has currently got is as good as it gets from TUI.
Aye that about sums it up. Not to say I wanted to fly with Tui mind you, just that Cape Verde would be cool.
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Old 11th Mar 2018, 16:56
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While it would be great to see TUI offering more destinations from BFS, the fact that BFS is TUI's sole seasonal base, and is operated by a Sunwing aircraft, makes it clear that TUI are not interested in the NI market. A permanent base, or at least a second aircraft, would make destinations such as Cape Verde a more feasible option, but by the looks of things, what BFS has currently got is as good as it gets from TUI.
Aren't Norwich and Leeds seasonal bases?

If TUI weren't interested in NI, they wouldn't be there - especially not with a leased in a/c!

How would a permanent base make it more feasible - as you've just pointed out, it's to do with a/c availability.
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Cape Verde cannot be served from BFS on a B738 without a fuel stop.

It could be done with a B757 but this would be additional cost for positioning / night stopping crew.

Currently it’s not possible to do a uk to Cape Verde return with the same crew. A night stop is required so therefore even further increased costs.
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