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Old 22nd May 2020, 08:43
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Originally Posted by WilliumMate View Post
Could have sworn that at 0300 today there was a post by LTNman foretelling of bad news concerning LLA to be revealed this morning.

Did I miss it? Was I dreaming? Do tell.

think you’re imagining things mate, nothing on here, checked on a couple of devices
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Old 22nd May 2020, 08:48
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Originally Posted by WilliumMate View Post
Could have sworn that at 0300 today there was a post by LTNman foretelling of bad news concerning LLA to be revealed this morning.

Did I miss it? Was I dreaming? Do tell.

I saw that too and wondered where it went !
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Old 22nd May 2020, 10:28
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Could have sworn that at 0300 today there was a post by LTNman foretelling of bad news concerning LLA to be revealed this morning.


I saw that post as well.

Perhaps a ‘late night / early morning’ post that was deleted by the writer ?
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Old 22nd May 2020, 10:31
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It was about the airports/ the councils future expansion plans. I now seek a second source for information, as thinking about it overnight the info could be read in two different ways. What was clear last night is not so clear today so the post was pulled due to a lack of certainty. I don't want to state a fact for me to then be wrong but whatever happens there will be a delay.
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Old 22nd May 2020, 10:55
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
It was about the airports/ the councils future expansion plans. I now seek a second source for information, as thinking about it overnight the info could be read in two different ways. What was clear last night is not so clear today so the post was pulled due to a lack of certainty. I don't want to state a fact for me to then be wrong but whatever happens there will be a delay.
Thank you LTNman. It would be nice if LBC for once laid out it's new plan clearly and without ambiguity.
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Old 22nd May 2020, 13:28
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
It was about the airports/ the councils future expansion plans. I now seek a second source for information, as thinking about it overnight the info could be read in two different ways. What was clear last night is not so clear today so the post was pulled due to a lack of certainty. I don't want to state a fact for me to then be wrong but whatever happens there will be a delay.
Spotted these two articles? Is this what you mean...

https://www.constructionnews.co.uk/c...ck-21-05-2020/
https://www.hertsad.co.uk/home/e-edition (Page 2)
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Old 22nd May 2020, 13:59
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The council has released a statement that the DCO that was meant to be submitted in June now won’t be. The reasons given are totally phoney as the council would choke if they had to be honest yet the title of the document is London Luton Airport and Covid -19. https://futureluton.llal.org.uk/

Of course the court case at Heathrow also had nothing to do with the decision or the fact that passenger numbers at Luton have been decimated so they can’t afford the existing loan payments for projects started.

I was thinking yesterday that the council had pulled the scheme but now I am thinking the council is looking at how to save the project after this statement, which I was only made aware of today.

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Old 22nd May 2020, 15:07
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
The council has released a statement that the DCO that was meant to be submitted in June now won’t be. The reasons given are totally phoney as the council would choke if they had to be honest yet the title of the document is London Luton Airport and Covid -19. https://futureluton.llal.org.uk/

Of course the court case at Heathrow also had nothing to do with the decision or the fact that passenger numbers at Luton have been decimated so they can’t afford the existing loan payments for protects started.

I was thinking yesterday that the council had pulled the scheme but now I am thinking the council is looking at how to save the project after this statement, which I was only made aware of today.
But LTNman the big question is, what is so important about your airport that you have been up all night allegedly posting spurious information about LTN at 0300, when the rest of the world is in bed sucking it's thumb and can't be asked? I think we should be told! A little light relief is called for!!
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Old 22nd May 2020, 15:19
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1/ I didn't post anything spurious, only the fact that some might view this announcement as bad news and that it would come out today which it did.
2/ It is not my airport, it is owned by the council.
3/ It was not posted at 3am but the night before.
4/ I slept all night
5/ I woke up at my normal time and pulled the post as I wanted further information. In fact I could have just left it as the post was correct.
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Old 22nd May 2020, 16:33
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
1/ I didn't post anything spurious, only the fact that some might view this announcement as bad news and that it would come out today which it did.
2/ It is not my airport, it is owned by the council.
3/ It was not posted at 3am but the night before.
4/ I slept all night
5/ I woke up at my normal time and pulled the post as I wanted further information. In fact I could have just left it as the post was correct.
Thankyou for responding LTNman and keep up your informative posts.
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Old 22nd May 2020, 17:03
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Comparing the artist impression with the construction update, as previously suspected, there appears to be a major part of the station building missing. Drawings show 2 phases but whether that is for a station capacity upgrade for a second terminal or is needed for the current construction so the bridge sections could be built on site and lowered into position remains to be seen.

It has already been noted in previous construction updates that the existing building has no holes between the floors for lifts, stairs and escalators so I suspect there is another section of building due to be built this year.

Another question is what are those two steel towers for? Are they being built there to be moved later? Answers on a post card to ...

Had a look at those two steel towers today as I drove past to do some food shopping. 99% certain they are the lift shafts for the remote platforms, as per the artist impression. They haven’t moved but are now getting side walls.
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Old 22nd May 2020, 21:40
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Tick, tock, a local borough council is about to financially implode O'Clock?

As for the reserves, that rainy day has arrived and it is of biblical proportions. Maybe Noah can help the local Labour party? Match 2 quid for another 2 quid.....
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Old 23rd May 2020, 15:01
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As a non-too-local local, I have lost touch with what is happening here. Given all the construction going on, what is now being delayed, ie the scope of the DOC?
These remote platforms, are they at the airport or Luton Parkway?
They sure like the tedious word ' sustainable' don't they.
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Old 23rd May 2020, 16:43
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The remote platforms are my description of the railway station platforms at Parkway that need a footbridge to get passengers from the train to the Dart station

The DCO is linked to the expansion of the airport outside its existing boundary. If a DCO is granted the council will look for a new operator to build the infrastructure and then run the airport on a new concession.

In the meantime the council are funding the Dart to the existing terminal and intend to fund the road to the second terminal on the pretence it is an access road to a business park. The issue is that the road would only be viable if it serves an expanded airport as it has been costed at £124m

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Old 24th May 2020, 05:32
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While we good residents of Luton await the emergency budget, and then live with the fall out of such, the DART is looking increasingly like a luxury we can ill afford at the moment and with the DCO being kicked into a corner have no real demand for.

What we don't know is how deep the council has gone down the financing route. Whether it is being borrowed in stages and contracts let in phases or if we are up to our neck in it. Answers of any kind are hard to come by. Direct face to face questions to LBC members are brushed aside, council meetings concerning the airport exclude the public (as they have been for years now) and the considerable section of the local population who rely on the airport directly or indirectly for their income are left in limbo.

The council must now swallow their pride. Suspend as far as possible any further development of the DART, put it into a care and maintenance state and concentrate on getting the airport back where it was before the current situation. When the numbers demand it, get it finished.



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Old 24th May 2020, 06:36
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
The remote platforms are my description of the railway station platforms at Parkway that need a footbridge to get passengers from the train to the Dart station

The DCO is linked to the expansion of the airport outside its existing boundary. If a DCO is granted the council will look for a new operator to build the infrastructure and then run the airport on a new concession.

In the meantime the council are funding the Dart to the existing terminal and intend to fund the road to the second terminal on the pretence it is an access road to a business park. The issue is that the road would only be viable if it serves an expanded airport as it has been costed at £124m
Thank you very much for that. Cheers.
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Old 24th May 2020, 07:57
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The council must now swallow their pride. Suspend as far as possible any further development of the DART, put it into a care and maintenance state and concentrate on getting the airport back where it was before the current situation. When the numbers demand it, get it finished.
I think the project is too far down the line to be stopped now and by stopping it and then starting it again will add to the final bill.


The opening date was meant to be the Spring of 2021 but that has been moved to summer 2021. The airport was claiming it was on schedule but looking at the time line for completing different parts of the project it is clear it is running late and might not open until 2022. When projects run late so the costs go up, which will mean even more money will need to be borrowed. We might never find out the final cost as it will be hidden away.


The project is remarkable for the speed of when it was first announced to the world and the actual start date. Consultations were held only 3 1/2 years ago in November 2016. Three months later a planning application had been submitted with a full set of drawings to the Council by the Council and then swiftly approved and work was actually started in August 2017, just 9 months after the consultation. Compare this to other major projects that take years to start. This is what happens in Communist China where opposition is crushed and the state does what it likes. The state in this case being the Labour controlled Council. Saying that, I don't think there was any opposition, as it was projected as taking traffic off the roads, the airport already owned the land on the route and no one asked any questions about who was going to pay as it was all free LLAL money except LLAL is the Council.


With the plans in February 2017 showing the track taking a 90 degree turn inside the CTA, so the terminal station lined up nicely with the public park next door, it was obvious a planning application for airport expansion was on its way. In December 2017 the Council announce plans to double the size of the airport after denying there were any such plans. A phoney consultation was held that showed 4 locations for the second terminal. One location was south of the runway yet work had started on the Dart which needed the terminal to be inside Wigmore Park so it lined up with the Dart track.


The big question is why is the council spending £225m for a Dart link to the existing terminal when the terminal has reached capacity without it. Yes it is taking 2 buses off the road that shuttle all day between the station and the airport but that can't justify spending £225 million. This project is being funded by the council taxpayer yet they will get nothing out of it as very few council taxpayers will ever use it. Of course those in the know understand that the Dart was never about serving the existing terminal but serving a second terminal and this project smooths the wheels of the DCO. The Council is also funding the £124m link road that will allegedly serve a proposed business park except most of the business park sits on the same land that is required for airport expansion. Again this road ,if started soon, will smooth the DCO application and the airport concessionaire who is expected to build the terminal 2 infrastructure will get a free road and £225m knocked off the price of getting a Dart link from Parkway Station to its new terminal.

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Old 24th May 2020, 11:04
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Grrr

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This is what happens in Communist China where opposition is crushed and the state does what it likes. The state in this case being the Labour controlled Council.
Chuckles loudly from my bear pit! Superb analogy.
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Old 24th May 2020, 12:45
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Taxiway Foxtrot closure due to parked aircraft extended until 23/6.
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Old 24th May 2020, 13:12
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Chuckles loudly from my bear pit! Superb analogy.
It happens wherever you have a first past the post elections. Fortunately in Scotland both our local and national elections use (different) forms of PR, so it is easier to get rid of useless people.
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