Early morning drinking and low cost profit
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Early morning drinking and low cost profit
This subject seems to be quite hot at the moment but how big a loss would it be to airports who have low cost airlines?
Could early morning airport drinking be banned? A change in the law is being discussed - Chronicle Live
Could early morning airport drinking be banned? A change in the law is being discussed - Chronicle Live
Well Mental Micky wants to ban the sale of alcohol in airports in order that his 'guests' can spend a bit more on board!
Would have been more believable if he had said he was going 'dry' if the airports did.
Would have been more believable if he had said he was going 'dry' if the airports did.
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I see Jet 2 are thinking about an 8.00am start.
Had to post the attached just for the photos!
Jet2.com bans the sale of alcohol on all early morning flights
Had to post the attached just for the photos!
Jet2.com bans the sale of alcohol on all early morning flights
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I spent a couple of years flying LTN-AMS on the first Easy flight on a regular basis. I didn't see a great deal of drinking going on at 0500-0600. What I do see is a lot of pre-loading away from the airport. Yesterday afternoon having a quiet beer with an oppo four young lads were caning it for three hours before hopping a mini-cab up to the airport for their flight to Palma. No trouble but they put away a good deal of alcohol. When they can get four pints for £12 and pitchers of cocktails for £6 there is no incentive to pay inflated airport prices so no method of control over excessive drinking.
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But what does that mean for the flights that depart after the ban, in the afternoon? The problem must surely still exist... I know I'd rather have an extra hour in bed in the early hours whereas for an afternoon flight I would imagine people wouldn't mind arriving a little bit earlier.
It can't just be the morning wave that suffers with drunken disruptive pax...
It can't just be the morning wave that suffers with drunken disruptive pax...
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The airports are just money making machines who do not care about anything else.
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One day I had a crack of sparrow fart's 2 hour drive to LHR for a SAS flight LHR/ARN, straight in to a meeting at the (then) SAS Flight Academy, back out of the meeting just in time for a tea-time flight back to LHR.
By Christ did I need a beer but I had my car waiting for me at LHR ... Good ol' SAS, they had an very low alcohol beer on their menu, I could drink till my heart's content and still not worry about getting drunk or the old bill on the way home.
So here's a question ... How many airlines offer very low alcohol beer?
By Christ did I need a beer but I had my car waiting for me at LHR ... Good ol' SAS, they had an very low alcohol beer on their menu, I could drink till my heart's content and still not worry about getting drunk or the old bill on the way home.
So here's a question ... How many airlines offer very low alcohol beer?
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Basic problem is flying is too cheap. LOCO do not want to pay any landing fees at all if they could and pay little as is. They do not want to spend on airbridges so its a bus or even better walk to plain. The airport has to cover the cost of terminal / fire serveice etc from somwhere, therefore food concessions / Duty Free / Bars / Parking are there only way of generating incom. My wife was involved for a number of years with a group of UK airports and the tales of LOCO negotiations made for intresting afterwork chat to say the least. If you could somhow wind the clock back to early mid 80,s with fares at those levels adjusted for inflation, and you could stop the airlines being greedy you may not have to generate income from booze sales also you may also change some of the clientele not to say other areas of society act well when heavily under the influance.
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The airports are just money making machines who do not care about anything else.
And as someone has mentioned, what is the difference between 8am and 11am? Are afternoon flights always an example of perfect sobriety?
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From the experience of lads/stag trips I've been on, morning flights we've got there as late as possible, picked up a bacon sandwich and headed straight to the gate. Anything later in the day and we've arrived at the airport in good time shall we say. Now, we're intelligent enough not to go overboard. While I know some others don't exercise the same restraint, I also know there aren't that many that intentionally arrive earlier than they need to at the crack of dawn for a 'session'. You can tell this easily, head into departure lounge Wetherspoon's at the crack of dawn and you'll see most people having breakfast.
Banning alcohol in the morning would do very little.
Banning alcohol in the morning would do very little.
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The only way to police excessive drinking is for airlines to impose a reasonable but set limit and warn passengers that random breathelizing will take place when boarding. Anyone who fails is off loaded with no refund. I of course use the word "random" loosely!
If people are determined to drink, they’ll find a way to drink. Binge drinking, unfortunately, is an integral part of some people’s holidays, and those holidays begin as soon as the subjects leave home. Closing bars until lunchtime will simply move the problem somewhere else, and as has already been pointed out will punish responsible drinkers.
I don’t have an easy answer, but ultimately the perps need to be forced to take responsibility. That may mean being refused boarding if they are obviously drunk or behaving anti-socially, or arrested either at their destination or on their return to the UK if they cause trouble on the flight.
I don’t have an easy answer, but ultimately the perps need to be forced to take responsibility. That may mean being refused boarding if they are obviously drunk or behaving anti-socially, or arrested either at their destination or on their return to the UK if they cause trouble on the flight.
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The problem with preventing boarding from taking place is that tanked up stag do's and hen do's will get violent. I've seen it happen many times. So often on one airline I used to handle that we had to have police at the gates on certain routes. Many GHAs use young ladies to board flights who cannot stand up to a group of angry shouting pissheads.
Like so many things in life there simply has to be a blanket action which affects everyone. The problem has just got too big in the UK. Sorry for those who can handle a drink at the airport and travel without affecting others, but far too many cannot and the softly softly, threatening to offload, divert, arrest, ban or cancel return trips just isn't working. It still goes on. Breathalyser tests at the gates, administered by bouncer style employees who can handle a drunk or an outright ban on all alcohol before certain times of day need to be introduced.
Like so many things in life there simply has to be a blanket action which affects everyone. The problem has just got too big in the UK. Sorry for those who can handle a drink at the airport and travel without affecting others, but far too many cannot and the softly softly, threatening to offload, divert, arrest, ban or cancel return trips just isn't working. It still goes on. Breathalyser tests at the gates, administered by bouncer style employees who can handle a drunk or an outright ban on all alcohol before certain times of day need to be introduced.
The problem with preventing boarding from taking place is that tanked up stag do's and hen do's will get violent. I've seen it happen many times. So often on one airline I used to handle that we had to have police at the gates on certain routes. Many GHAs use young ladies to board flights who cannot stand up to a group of angry shouting pissheads.
And as I said previously, a blanket ban at the airport is likely to be ineffective. People who are determined to get wasted before they even board their flight will find other ways.
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I'd suggest that allowing those sort of passengers to board - basically passing the buck to the airline - is extremely irresponsible. All the more reason for a crackdown. I don't pretend it would be easy, but looking the other way won’t solve the problem. It might take time, but if the message starts to get through that if you’re drunk and disorderly at the airport then you won’t be flying off on your holidays anytime soon then maybe these idiots might hold off on the drinking for a few hours.
And as I said previously, a blanket ban at the airport is likely to be ineffective. People who are determined to get wasted before they even board their flight will find other ways.
And as I said previously, a blanket ban at the airport is likely to be ineffective. People who are determined to get wasted before they even board their flight will find other ways.
I don't condone letting drunks on to aircraft either, not one bit, but the sad reality, in the UK anyway, is that it is happening too often because ground handling agencies either don't have enough staff to properly manage gates, don't have tough enough staff to stand up to thugs and drunks or the airlines simply don't give their GHA gate staff the authority to deal with them properly.