Long Haul at EDI
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Long Haul at EDI
What's going on at EDI?
Yesterday's EAL flight to SFB was a shambles.!
The aircraft was parked overnight on 30s threshold and
was only brought on stand about an hour before it's
scheduled 1230 departure.
Only one hour to load fuel, supplies, pax etc; was cutting it
fine surely.?
The aircraft eventually departed around 1400 hrs, amid reports
that it had damaged part of the taxiway.
Anyone throw some light on the actual events.?
I personally suspect BAA has little enthusiasm for long-haul at
EDI.
Yesterday's EAL flight to SFB was a shambles.!
The aircraft was parked overnight on 30s threshold and
was only brought on stand about an hour before it's
scheduled 1230 departure.
Only one hour to load fuel, supplies, pax etc; was cutting it
fine surely.?
The aircraft eventually departed around 1400 hrs, amid reports
that it had damaged part of the taxiway.
Anyone throw some light on the actual events.?
I personally suspect BAA has little enthusiasm for long-haul at
EDI.
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Joe
I have no knowledge of what actually happened because I wasn't at work and I haven't spoken to anyone that was there at the time of departure, but.....
1. Maybe it only departed at 1400 because of a delay in the Oceanic clearance..... these things take a while to sort out and if the aircraft's not ready for departure, then the earliest airborne and clearance expiry times can be well in arrears of when the aircraft actually wishes to go.
2. The people at Edi work to the best of their ability at all times, and if that meant the aircraft departed 90 minutes late then I'm sure it wasn't for want of trying to get it away earlier.
3. There are only a couple of places that a 747 can park at Edi, and if those places are blocked by aircraft with other slot delays, which have been prevalent over the past few weeks, then where do you propose we park the aircraft for loading?? Or should we bus all passengers to the 30 threshold!? That'd be fun!!!
4. Maybe the fact that there are only a handful of places that they can park the aircraft makes Edi ill equipped for handling such a flight, but I'd hardly say that we shouldn't give it a go.... aren't you the first to advocate that Edi should have trans-Atlantic flights?? Well, if you're going to be the first to slag off the first attempt in the first week of operation then you're not giving anything a chance to improve are you??
5. The taxiway has damaged areas before the arrival of a 747, are you sure that the taxiway was damaged by the 747 and not just a prior area of damage??
6. BAA has little enthusiasm for long-haul from Edinburgh?! So why bring in the EAL 747? Why keep negotiating with COA for a service next year? Why bother at all if mindless individuals somewhat like yourself decide to put the mockers on it before it's had a chance to get going?
But then as you're such an expert about the workings at Edi then I'm sure you're well aware of all of the above anyway..... however, I'm guessing you're nothing to do with the airport and just spend your time with a radio stuck to your ear...... If you feel like backing up your comments, or actually finding out how the intricacies of Edi affect the movement of traffic, then feel free to e mail me: [email protected] and I'd be happy to sort out a visit to the control tower for you, so that you'll be better informed for any further tripe you wish to post.
I have no knowledge of what actually happened because I wasn't at work and I haven't spoken to anyone that was there at the time of departure, but.....
1. Maybe it only departed at 1400 because of a delay in the Oceanic clearance..... these things take a while to sort out and if the aircraft's not ready for departure, then the earliest airborne and clearance expiry times can be well in arrears of when the aircraft actually wishes to go.
2. The people at Edi work to the best of their ability at all times, and if that meant the aircraft departed 90 minutes late then I'm sure it wasn't for want of trying to get it away earlier.
3. There are only a couple of places that a 747 can park at Edi, and if those places are blocked by aircraft with other slot delays, which have been prevalent over the past few weeks, then where do you propose we park the aircraft for loading?? Or should we bus all passengers to the 30 threshold!? That'd be fun!!!
4. Maybe the fact that there are only a handful of places that they can park the aircraft makes Edi ill equipped for handling such a flight, but I'd hardly say that we shouldn't give it a go.... aren't you the first to advocate that Edi should have trans-Atlantic flights?? Well, if you're going to be the first to slag off the first attempt in the first week of operation then you're not giving anything a chance to improve are you??
5. The taxiway has damaged areas before the arrival of a 747, are you sure that the taxiway was damaged by the 747 and not just a prior area of damage??
6. BAA has little enthusiasm for long-haul from Edinburgh?! So why bring in the EAL 747? Why keep negotiating with COA for a service next year? Why bother at all if mindless individuals somewhat like yourself decide to put the mockers on it before it's had a chance to get going?
But then as you're such an expert about the workings at Edi then I'm sure you're well aware of all of the above anyway..... however, I'm guessing you're nothing to do with the airport and just spend your time with a radio stuck to your ear...... If you feel like backing up your comments, or actually finding out how the intricacies of Edi affect the movement of traffic, then feel free to e mail me: [email protected] and I'd be happy to sort out a visit to the control tower for you, so that you'll be better informed for any further tripe you wish to post.
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>>I'd be happy to sort out a visit to the control tower for you, so that you'll be better informed for any further tripe you wish to post.<<
Such passion. :-)
Perhaps you could arrange a visit for the 400 + pax on the delayed EAL flight who do not have the benefit of posting queries to pprune.? :-D
It might be tripe to those in the tower, assuming you are in the tower.? But folk who were up half the night preparing for a holiday of a lifetime, it was an abomination. We are talking
Scotland's capital city airport here, not East Fortune. :-(
Nowhere for 742s to park at EDI.? Sounds like incompetance on
BAA's part to me.
BAA have criticised amatuer commentators, suggesting folk leave
the running of EDI to the professionals. Their record at EDI to date is far from professional.
BAA's so-called professionalism at EDI has been 'saved' many
times by real ATC professionals amid antiquated field structure.
Such passion. :-)
Perhaps you could arrange a visit for the 400 + pax on the delayed EAL flight who do not have the benefit of posting queries to pprune.? :-D
It might be tripe to those in the tower, assuming you are in the tower.? But folk who were up half the night preparing for a holiday of a lifetime, it was an abomination. We are talking
Scotland's capital city airport here, not East Fortune. :-(
Nowhere for 742s to park at EDI.? Sounds like incompetance on
BAA's part to me.
BAA have criticised amatuer commentators, suggesting folk leave
the running of EDI to the professionals. Their record at EDI to date is far from professional.
BAA's so-called professionalism at EDI has been 'saved' many
times by real ATC professionals amid antiquated field structure.
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Joe,
I'ts blatantly obvious that your are missing the points that callyoushortly is trying to put across, in very simple terms I may add.
He made not excuses but 6 vaild reasons that may have been the cause of the delay. I'ts a shame that you cannot sit back and take stock of what is actually being explained, rather than briefly scan his post and then start shooting from the hip.
Toodle pip.
I'ts blatantly obvious that your are missing the points that callyoushortly is trying to put across, in very simple terms I may add.
He made not excuses but 6 vaild reasons that may have been the cause of the delay. I'ts a shame that you cannot sit back and take stock of what is actually being explained, rather than briefly scan his post and then start shooting from the hip.
Toodle pip.
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It'd be nice if you took Hugh De Payen's comments on board. I'm not trying to cover up for the problems you seem to have with the BAA, neither am I trying to say that the 747 wasn't delayed.... I don't know if it was or not!!
I do work in the tower and would thoroughly enjoy showing you round the tower in an attempt to show you what we deal with and how we do it....... if I could take 400+ passengers around for a visit, maybe I would..... Anyway, I'm sure half of them wouldn't be interested, probably because they're all sunning themselves in Orlando now, because like it or not, their flight did go!!!
I didn't say there was nowhere for 742's to park, that's what stand 6A was specifically designed for..... it just means that stands 5 and 6 must be clear before it can come into use. Maybe that's where the problem lies.... I dunno!
I think harping on aboput what you see as the BAA's incompetency is a futile exercise..... the airfield is growing at a rate they are able to financially sustain, with more stands coming into use fairly soon (but I won't quote a date because I can't remember). The terminal has grown and I'm sure will grow further. And the fact remains that even with a 12% traffic rise last year, everything still departs and still lands,safely and as expediously as we can manage . Nothing's ever perfect, find me an airfield that is, but we make it work to the best of our ability!!
It'd be nice if you took Hugh De Payen's comments on board. I'm not trying to cover up for the problems you seem to have with the BAA, neither am I trying to say that the 747 wasn't delayed.... I don't know if it was or not!!
I do work in the tower and would thoroughly enjoy showing you round the tower in an attempt to show you what we deal with and how we do it....... if I could take 400+ passengers around for a visit, maybe I would..... Anyway, I'm sure half of them wouldn't be interested, probably because they're all sunning themselves in Orlando now, because like it or not, their flight did go!!!
I didn't say there was nowhere for 742's to park, that's what stand 6A was specifically designed for..... it just means that stands 5 and 6 must be clear before it can come into use. Maybe that's where the problem lies.... I dunno!
I think harping on aboput what you see as the BAA's incompetency is a futile exercise..... the airfield is growing at a rate they are able to financially sustain, with more stands coming into use fairly soon (but I won't quote a date because I can't remember). The terminal has grown and I'm sure will grow further. And the fact remains that even with a 12% traffic rise last year, everything still departs and still lands,safely and as expediously as we can manage . Nothing's ever perfect, find me an airfield that is, but we make it work to the best of our ability!!
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I don't know anything about Long Haul from EDI but I was at EDI yesterday trying to get to the Gatbash...
There were huge delays in the morning because there was a problem with the luggage conveyors and the thing that sends the bags to the right aircraft (and I believe that is the technical term for it
) all the bags were being sent into the reject pile by the machine and the ground staff had to manually sort all the luggage. This held up check in and according to the announcement by the captain on the aircraft there was a period of about an hour where there were no departures.
As it was the aircraft we were on left minus 58 bags including mine
There were huge delays in the morning because there was a problem with the luggage conveyors and the thing that sends the bags to the right aircraft (and I believe that is the technical term for it
) all the bags were being sent into the reject pile by the machine and the ground staff had to manually sort all the luggage. This held up check in and according to the announcement by the captain on the aircraft there was a period of about an hour where there were no departures.As it was the aircraft we were on left minus 58 bags including mine
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Gash Handlin ,
To put it mildly, I think you are trying to hi-jack this thread and turn it into a hate EDI campaign. Poor handling happens at almost every airport that I know, but there is always a reason behind it. Be it that the conveyor breaks down or the handling agents incorrectly advise on a/c departure times or stand location.
This particular issue is not unique to EDI, and if you want testimony of this try JER at the weekends!
Bye for now.
To put it mildly, I think you are trying to hi-jack this thread and turn it into a hate EDI campaign. Poor handling happens at almost every airport that I know, but there is always a reason behind it. Be it that the conveyor breaks down or the handling agents incorrectly advise on a/c departure times or stand location.
This particular issue is not unique to EDI, and if you want testimony of this try JER at the weekends!
Bye for now.
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Hugh...
Nope not at all, I was merely trying to point out what the particular problem was at EDI on Saturday, I have flown from EDI many times and its the first time Ive ever encountered a delay there, and the staff at the airport (ALL staff I might add, even the police were helping seperate bags) Did everything they could to sort out a problem they had no control over.
Nope not at all, I was merely trying to point out what the particular problem was at EDI on Saturday, I have flown from EDI many times and its the first time Ive ever encountered a delay there, and the staff at the airport (ALL staff I might add, even the police were helping seperate bags) Did everything they could to sort out a problem they had no control over.
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Mr Curry where exactly do you get off?
Do you know what exactly caused the aircraft to be delayed?
Do you have proof that it was baa's fault it was late?
Did you know the EOBT of the aircraft?
If its EOBT was 1230 Zulu, and it departed at 1400 local, that isn’t really a delay, Approx 15 mins late??
"Only one hour to load fuel, supplies, pax etc;"
How do you know that fuel and supplies were embarked on stand, maybe it was just the pax brought aboard at stand, and what if it was a missing pax that caused a delay, if any.
Then you go on to question the validity of people on this board, that know what they are talking about.
And judging by your webpage and some of its basic mistake no wonder someone called you an amateur
Do you know what exactly caused the aircraft to be delayed?
Do you have proof that it was baa's fault it was late?
Did you know the EOBT of the aircraft?
If its EOBT was 1230 Zulu, and it departed at 1400 local, that isn’t really a delay, Approx 15 mins late??
"Only one hour to load fuel, supplies, pax etc;"
How do you know that fuel and supplies were embarked on stand, maybe it was just the pax brought aboard at stand, and what if it was a missing pax that caused a delay, if any.
Then you go on to question the validity of people on this board, that know what they are talking about.
And judging by your webpage and some of its basic mistake no wonder someone called you an amateur
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Transatlantics
Joe,
Since you obviously spent all night waiting to see a transatlantic flight from EDI may I suggest you bring your camera and notebook through to GLA. We have 3 767's including a shiny new 764 departing for the US/Canada daily.
You could take some great pics for your website.
Since you obviously spent all night waiting to see a transatlantic flight from EDI may I suggest you bring your camera and notebook through to GLA. We have 3 767's including a shiny new 764 departing for the US/Canada daily.
You could take some great pics for your website.
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No need GustyOrange, they will all be coming to EDI
in the near future.
I took this A310 on Friday.
[http://www.airliners.net/open.file/250657/L/]
in the near future.
I took this A310 on Friday.
[http://www.airliners.net/open.file/250657/L/]
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The West Is Best....
Joe,
I'm sorry, but you'll be waiting a long time before regular Transatlantic flights leave from EDI in preference to GLA
You may want to put your own website together, that's fair enough. However, as CALLYOUSHORTLY has pointed out, very few people on this web site, who work in the business, respect you.
The more crap you tell about EDI, the more you are found out. Get the chip of your shouler pal. get the radio away from your ear and f*ck off
I'm sorry, but you'll be waiting a long time before regular Transatlantic flights leave from EDI in preference to GLA
You may want to put your own website together, that's fair enough. However, as CALLYOUSHORTLY has pointed out, very few people on this web site, who work in the business, respect you.
The more crap you tell about EDI, the more you are found out. Get the chip of your shouler pal. get the radio away from your ear and f*ck off
Calm down Joe! We don't want you going blind over an A310 now, do we?
If you want to compare Joe, I have had a look at the heavy aircraft due today (7th July) for both Glasgow and Edinburgh.
Edinburgh
zilch
Glasgow
3 x 767-300
2 x 767-200
1 x DC-10
1 x 767-400
1 x A310
Best get your raincoat on, pack your notebook, pen, binos and camera and get yourself across.... unless of course you want to spend your sunday doing the crossword, in which case, Edinburgh sounds like a better option!
If you want to compare Joe, I have had a look at the heavy aircraft due today (7th July) for both Glasgow and Edinburgh.
Edinburgh
zilch
Glasgow
3 x 767-300
2 x 767-200
1 x DC-10
1 x 767-400
1 x A310
Best get your raincoat on, pack your notebook, pen, binos and camera and get yourself across.... unless of course you want to spend your sunday doing the crossword, in which case, Edinburgh sounds like a better option!
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EGPF or EGPH.....
Joe,
It's East v West on this.
Never mind what Aircraft EGPFlyer has put on his post, this is, and will always prove that EGPF will be the busier Airport.
If you ever fancy OMDB, I'll show you what an Airport really is.
Edinburgh Airport - Scotland International. My ARSE! Get the chip of your shoulder. Bloody East Coasters......
It's East v West on this.
Never mind what Aircraft EGPFlyer has put on his post, this is, and will always prove that EGPF will be the busier Airport.
If you ever fancy OMDB, I'll show you what an Airport really is.
Edinburgh Airport - Scotland International. My ARSE! Get the chip of your shoulder. Bloody East Coasters......
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