Will a 744 do Brisbane, Australia to New York Direct?
Just in case the 747 can't make it (seems marginal but within specs) what about a C-17 with aerial refueling (assuming obviously you have deep pockets and the right contacts)?
Slower bird but can accommodate VIP containers (ask HRC) and might be your best bet time wise if non-stop is not otherwise doable.
Slower bird but can accommodate VIP containers (ask HRC) and might be your best bet time wise if non-stop is not otherwise doable.
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Thank you very much for running the numbers. They make for some very interesting figures. It is very much appreciated.
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That I cannot do. Private gig and I have zero influence on who gets on and who doesn't. But if you are ever in Australia, the evening is on me!
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That I cannot do. Private gig and I have zero influence on who gets on and who doesn't. But if you are ever in Australia, the evening is on me!
Cheers
CB
Three thoughts from an "armchair pilot".
TOW 362 tonnes. The maximum certified TOW is of a 744 is 396.9 tonnes. Could you fit some bladder cells in the hold? (OK if it requires certification the answer is no.)
The QF flight referred to used higher density fuel (I believe around 0.85). I don't know how energy varies with density but this may be a way forward. Also the QF aircraft was towed to the end of the runway so that it could take off with full tanks.
I have also been looking at average flight times (only available for US carriers). As an example UA between SFO and LAX took 13hr 26 mins in Feb 15 but 12hr 56 mins in May 15 or half an hour less. This is actually quite a small variation - it can be well over an hour for eastbound and north Pacific flights, but suggests that it may be possible - but only on a summers day with favourable winds.
TOW 362 tonnes. The maximum certified TOW is of a 744 is 396.9 tonnes. Could you fit some bladder cells in the hold? (OK if it requires certification the answer is no.)
The QF flight referred to used higher density fuel (I believe around 0.85). I don't know how energy varies with density but this may be a way forward. Also the QF aircraft was towed to the end of the runway so that it could take off with full tanks.
I have also been looking at average flight times (only available for US carriers). As an example UA between SFO and LAX took 13hr 26 mins in Feb 15 but 12hr 56 mins in May 15 or half an hour less. This is actually quite a small variation - it can be well over an hour for eastbound and north Pacific flights, but suggests that it may be possible - but only on a summers day with favourable winds.
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Stanwells guess as "an entertainment troup" may be close to the truth - tho since the destination is fixed I startingto think it could be a member of the mega-rich
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taking their family and mates to a specific concert in New York - that would explain the importance of the fixed time and non-stop. Presumably if you are that rich your people square Immigration easily. Still leaves the question about why they can't leave earlier - so that is fixed in concrete as well - possibly a wedding then a cross-world flight for the wedding party to see someone like Beyonce.........
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taking their family and mates to a specific concert in New York - that would explain the importance of the fixed time and non-stop. Presumably if you are that rich your people square Immigration easily. Still leaves the question about why they can't leave earlier - so that is fixed in concrete as well - possibly a wedding then a cross-world flight for the wedding party to see someone like Beyonce.........
Qantas have the right a/c the 747-438ER both types of engine too - CF6 and RR RB211524/g/t and specialise in long drags -
they did a 747-400 delivery as mentioned above from LHR non stop to SYD and they still do the Antarctica sightseeing flights plus have trans Pacific expertise
using QF will save on positioning flight costs too - their first class and business class seats are all new too - the 747's having 380 style refit a while back
they did a 747-400 delivery as mentioned above from LHR non stop to SYD and they still do the Antarctica sightseeing flights plus have trans Pacific expertise
using QF will save on positioning flight costs too - their first class and business class seats are all new too - the 747's having 380 style refit a while back
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Nobody avoids US Immigration, we operate a lot of VVIP flights, APIS is required and immigration will always meet the aircraft.
Plan total 184904 exceeds a/c fuel cap 172446 by 12458 kgs.
POD = YBBN POA = KJFK
DST = 008492 nm
Using at least 1 redispatch, might make this possible.
Plan total 184904 exceeds a/c fuel cap 172446 by 12458 kgs.
POD = YBBN POA = KJFK
DST = 008492 nm
Using at least 1 redispatch, might make this possible.
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"Nobody avoids US Immigration,"
Indeed - buth the Good & the Great get a smile and a 2 minute delay whereas the great unwashed are in a line that goes right out of the terminal.....................
Indeed - buth the Good & the Great get a smile and a 2 minute delay whereas the great unwashed are in a line that goes right out of the terminal.....................
