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Old 16th Dec 2021, 18:40
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Maybe a W route, EDI/ABZ-KOI-WIC-KOI-EDI/ABZ ?
Flying time from WIC to KOI is not exactly long...

Keeps the Orkney folk happy, and lets the Wickers know how valued they are...
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Old 16th Dec 2021, 20:02
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
Maybe a W route, EDI/ABZ-KOI-WIC-KOI-EDI/ABZ ?
Flying time from WIC to KOI is not exactly long...

Keeps the Orkney folk happy, and lets the Wickers know how valued they are...
Pretty sure this wouldn’t be allowed on an PSO route, but never say never :-)
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Old 16th Dec 2021, 20:10
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Given the passenger numbers further back I would of thought an average of 23 passengers on a 30 seat Saab to Edinburgh would be not too bad a load. 10 or so passengers on the Eastern flights to Aberdeen which is about right given the prices they used to charge !
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Originally Posted by jmdavies86
AIS Airlines would also not be permitted to bid for it because it's a UK route and EU-based airlines are no longer allowed to operate domestically within the UK due to Brexit; I do agree though that a Dornier Do-228, BAe Jetstream 31 or DHC-6 Twin Otter would likely be the most suitable aircraft.
Sure, that's why I said "like AIS Airlines". Realistically, if the UK keeps its PSO rules as they are, they will struggle to find anybody. The route obviously is only suited for a 20 seater operation - maybe a larger aircraft would work, but probably not for an airline operating at UK cost levels. It would require a cheaper Eastern European outfit like RAF Avia, Budapest Air Services, NyxAir or Transaviabaltika etc. They do quite a few PSOs in Sweden and Finland where there are no longer suitable local carriers.
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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 12:32
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Originally Posted by NickBarnes
Having worked for Loganair when they ran this route from Edinburgh, the loads were very woeful then at times hence why it went, I'd have a feeling not even with the funding they would be that interested.
Over recent times Loganair start and stop routes willy nilly. With Wick having been a solid base for decades I'm sure they can swallow their pride, carry out a PSO contract and serve the people of The North. (Even loganair aren't that daft and surely will be tempted with the dangling cash carrot)
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I guess if anyone expressed interest in running flights from Wick there would be a press release of some sort. Given the closing date was 8 weeks ago it can't be looking good ? in fairness even Inverness is desperately quiet. how long does an airport continue without passengers ?
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 17:04
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I have sent an email as per the details on the Public Contracts Scotland website asking for details of whether there were any suitable bids and the intended contract awarding under Freedom of Information law. I would encourage others to do the same to put a bit of pressure for transparency on Aberdeen City Council or Highland Council
As an aide-memoire, the public request for bids is at
https://www.publiccontractsscotland....x?ID=OCT429822

Freedom of Information law in Scotland is discussed at
https://www.itspublicknowledge.info/...gislation.aspx
https://www.aberdeenshire.gov.uk/med...requesters.pdf

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Old 28th Jan 2022, 13:14
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Done a bit of digging - been told there was at least one bid, and an announcement will be made next week, probably Tuesday
I hope HIAL have booked a big enough conference room for all the journalists who will want to attend

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Old 28th Jan 2022, 14:25
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
Done a bit of digging - been told there was at least one bid, and an announcement will be made next week, probably Tuesday
I hope HIAL have booked a big enough conference room for all the journalists who will want to attend
It'll be live from outside the John O'Groats sign!
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Old 1st Feb 2022, 14:28
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Contract evaluation to continue until second half of February. Public announcement might be made in February... or might be delayed further
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Old 17th Feb 2022, 14:27
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Announcement now due on Monday 28 February, with first flight on Monday 04 April
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Old 17th Feb 2022, 20:54
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Any Idea who has taken it on ?
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Old 23rd Feb 2022, 09:35
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It's Eastern Airways

Scheduled flights restart from Wick John O’ Groats Airport with year-round air link between Caithness and Aberdeen secured in new deal | The Highland Council

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Old 23rd Feb 2022, 10:28
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Oh dear. They managed to kill the route before, they now have even less operational aircraft. Can’t see this ending well.
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Old 23rd Feb 2022, 10:51
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Oh dear. They managed to kill the route before, they now have even less operational aircraft. Can’t see this ending well.
At least the price is more sensible now
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Old 23rd Feb 2022, 11:37
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The price to the PAX or the price to the the taxpayer?
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Old 23rd Feb 2022, 11:41
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Originally Posted by inOban
The price to the PAX or the price to the the taxpayer?
Ouch From John O' Groat Journal: It will be funded by £1 million from Transport Scotland and £300,000 a year from Highland Council.

Flights start at £39.99 each way, with up to three per day. And a Sunday service. This is better than the previous service. A shame onward connectivity to say, BA is missing.
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Old 23rd Feb 2022, 15:03
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The contract for Wick-Edinburgh flights was not able to be awarded. It might be readvertised at a later date
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Old 23rd Feb 2022, 15:07
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There is an arguable need for the Aberdeen service as there will be some NHS patients who need to access services in Aberdeen which aren't available in Inverness. Not sure about Edinburgh.
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Old 17th Mar 2022, 17:15
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Eastern will be paid £ 4,296,449.00 for flying the Aberdeen-Wick route over 3 years. Any VAT (if it exists) is extra
Apart from Eastern, there was one other (unnamed) bidder - it was not from an EU member state, so the other bidder is presumably a UK airline
https://www.publiccontractsscotland....x?ID=MAR442915

Assuming 12 round trips per week, this comes to £1,150 of subsidy per one way flight

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