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Not sure it's suicide but they might catch a cold. If it doesn't work presume they can let the slots go elsewhere but they can only be used on those routes. As I asked before are there codeshares? Which terminal - presumably not T5
Hope they encourage and attract sufficient punters traveling point to point at reasonable fares and yield (£300 -400 mark) else the venture if it happens will fail.
X in pound from code partners most assuredly won't pay the bills -never has never will.
As to the remedy slots its use for 6 consecutive seasons or they revert back to BA and can't be traded for profit.
They may only be used for services to Moscow, Riyadh, Nice, Cairo, Edinburgh and/or Aberdeen and after 6 consecutive seasons any other EU Openskys point (last bit may need legal clarification if the UK has to leave that area on quitting the EU with the said that time frame)
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Despite my general lack of enthusiasm for BEE's attitude towards its customers, I support this apparent development. IF it means a consistent & reliable Heathrow service for the Channel Islands.
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IF it means a consistent & reliable Heathrow service for the Channel Islands.
Jersey would have to wait a least another 3 years or more probably never using these slots.
Your best hope remains BA taking up the gauntlet to the bailiwick as some point.
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Thanks for that info. I guess I'll have to hold my breath for a little while longer. Although, there's always Easyjet - once the 3rd. R/W has been constructed. On second thoughts, I'll be holding my breath even longer before that happens !
Depends.
Their cost base is clearly lower than BA's, so ceteris paribus their break-even load factor will be lower too.
It's not inconceivable that they will be able to sustain the routes for three years, at which point they will be able to junk them and use the slots to fly from LHR to destinations where they really can make money.
Their cost base is clearly lower than BA's, so ceteris paribus their break-even load factor will be lower too.
It's not inconceivable that they will be able to sustain the routes for three years, at which point they will be able to junk them and use the slots to fly from LHR to destinations where they really can make money.
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It's not inconceivable that they will be able to sustain the routes for three years, at which point they will be able to junk them and use the slots to fly from LHR to destinations where they really can make money.
Its seven slot pairs and again they remain BA property even after the 6th slot season.
They can't trade them for profit.
They either believe that a) there is a long-term future in operating these routes or b) they can earn back any losses on the EDI and ABZ routes by doing other things (e.g. moving PSOs like Newquay or a Jersey service with support from the States, perhaps) with those slots in three years time. If the latter, the only thing that doesn't add up is that they haven't taken all of the available LHR slots and could easily have taken on a few more within the working days for the extra aircraft needed to cover the morning & evenings that they'll be flying.
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the only thing that doesn't add up is that they haven't taken all of the available LHR slots and could easily have taken on a few more within the working days for the extra aircraft needed to cover the morning & evenings that they'll be flying.
VS used their own slots for the previous Manchester services (that were being leased out at time ) and had too to comply with the qualifying conditions at the time.
There are no more slots available throughout the remedy rules.
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I'd say ABZ and EDI are pretty high yielding routes ex LHR and some competition for BA. They codeshare already with VS and I think EY in the U.K. Unlike Little Red they won't have the wet lease costs for the EI aircraft. And presumably won't have to open a base at LHR could W in there e.g. BHXEDILHREDI etc (though not sure how that works with optimal business timings)....
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A number of carriers currently operate E-Jets on routes to and from LHR - KLM, LOT, Bulgaria Air, Swiss, for example. What makes you think the aircraft can't make money ?
Therefore case not proven.
And still you haven't suggested any potential routes for Flybe to deploy 7 slot pairs more profitable in the 7th and future slot seasons.
I think the person that mentioned PSO services to might however be on to something.
Runtankrd, your statement isn't accurate. There are a total of 14 remedy slot pairs available of which two are locked to Moscow. A minimum of seven of the remaining twelve are locked to Edinburgh and Aberdeen, but the balance of five could be available for those routes but could also be used on others like Nice. Virgin ran nine remedy slot pairs on EDI and ABZ with three of their own on MAN. Flybe could therefore take up to 12 subject to the route plan.
But it would be an incredible coincidence if, of all the routes out of LHR that could be profitable for Flybe once the remedy slot restrictions expire, the top ones just happened to be those that they have already been operating.
It's not inconceivable that they will be able to sustain the routes for three years, at which point they will be able to junk them and use the slots to fly from LHR to destinations where they really can make money.
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What is the sort of destination which is relatively underserved out of LHR compared with any other airport catchment? I'd say Alicante, Malaga, Palma, Faro, Bergerac. The sort of places where the burghers of Surrey, Hants, Berks, Bucks might be willing to pay a premium to avoid sitting on the M25.
I don't think it applies even to ABZ and EDI, in fact, but if it did then the question of redeploying the slots to more profitable routes would be academic.
No, they are entirely relevant when discussing, as we are, how Flybe might choose to redeploy the remedy slots when the restrictions expire after athree years.