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A320.b744 A hallelujah post if every there was one. Says it all really. I can go and enjoy my BBQ knowing someone has articulated what I've been struggling to say for a long time.
Also I would expect EZY to be very wary of the effect of the SEN flights detracting from the yield on the same domestic routes from the other LON airports.
Internal Stobart correspondent mentioned it.
Should know about new routes soon. Customers will be able to fly to some new U.K. and European destinations in Winter 17 and Summer 18.
Should know about new routes soon. Customers will be able to fly to some new U.K. and European destinations in Winter 17 and Summer 18.
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Would someone care to confirm that EZY is in the middle of a 10 year locked in contract with SEN please...The dropping of destinations & the random starting of new ones just as a means of using that commited capacity is entirely consistent with that logic...Could someone also confirm that the SEN base was the idea of just one EZY bigwig who had happened at one time to live locally & happily wrapped himself in the local kudos...turf wars within the EZY empire presents itself perhaps......Destinations such as PMI/AMS are no benchmark for success either,every `drome could fill a plane to PMI/AMS...they are not really bell weathers or come to that motherlodes...Domestics will ultimately fail too with heavy competition within the market plus APD...but perhaps not until Stobart have thrown away a lot of other people`s £££`s......Good luck....SS
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southside, even if SEN was the vanity project of a bigwig there are clear benefits to EZY from operating from somewhere that other large competitors are locked out from (thinking FR in particular but also LS nowadays). There is a substantial local catchment and it's pretty clear that many value the convenience. The fact the routes are 'cliche' is slightly irrelevant.
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DC3 Dave...Are you a spin master moonlighting from elsewhere....Was my post too nuanced for you.....Being a local you should be aware of the answer to my second question too...More reality please...The commercial sense which you supposedly allude too & apparent to most non SEN based observers is really the airport operator buying airline capacity....not once,but now twice,to cover lack of takeup for the shiny building & snowing investors & potential buyers.... Good Luck SS
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AirportPlanner1.....nope `cliché routes being slightly irrelevant is no answer I`m afraid... When I point out every `drome can fill a plane on these routes it says it all really...hate to use the word but yield springs to mind....& also confirms perhaps a view that EZY are only filling & using locked in capacity on "safe" routes...perhaps as justification...
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Southside Bobby - it is not unusual for an airport operator to "buy" passengers to get things moving. Look at all the volume dependent deals FR have done/continue to do with airports all over Europe. Even larger airports do deals to get traffic and new operators. Edinburgh (allegedly) offered all sorts of incentives to get the likes of EY, QR etc. As a dispassionate observer, I think SEN is doing an OK job. How would you feel if the airport was empty and they were not making efforts to attract business?
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DC3 Dave...Are you a spin master moonlighting from elsewhere....Was my post too nuanced for you.....Being a local you should be aware of the answer to my second question too...More reality please...The commercial sense which you supposedly allude too & apparent to most non SEN based observers is really the airport operator buying airline capacity....not once,but now twice,to cover lack of take up for the shiny building & snowing investors & potential buyers.... Good Luck SS
Either way I've enjoyed not having to get stressed out in traffic on the M25 / M11 just to fly off to one of my favourite 'kiss me quick' destinations.
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If your assertion is correct: that EZY are simply doing what they have to in order to satisfy a deal they should never have gone into, why on earth would they add a 4th aircraft to their SEN base next year?
If your assertion is correct: that EZY are simply doing what they have to in order to satisfy a deal they should never have gone into, why on earth would they add a 4th aircraft to their SEN base next year?
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SEN is lets face it an apple in the eye of no one except it`s latest incumbent.....it appears nought down there is market led....the market has not & did not ask for SEN & this is still being born out long long after the chimera that was the London Olympics for instance.... Artificial stimulus is the only alternative left to be enacted....Making your own markets & commercial reality in the first place is the only way....Any other way you will be found out...Good Luck.....SS
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Don't take Southside Booby too seriously. In October 2010 he wrote:
"Dear All,Although your enthusiasm down by the seaside is understandable,are you all in danger of perhaps missing the obvious?.... is Eddie unable to get a major player to sign on the dotty line to operate from SEN & therefore is resorting to part funding his own Airport`s customers...Not a winning formula me thinks...Think perhaps Plane Station/EU Jet @ Manston....Stand to be corrected of course,Best Wishes Bobby..."
Nearly seven years on and with EZY half way through a five year contract things look a lot rosier for SEN than Southside's gloomy prognostications.
"Dear All,Although your enthusiasm down by the seaside is understandable,are you all in danger of perhaps missing the obvious?.... is Eddie unable to get a major player to sign on the dotty line to operate from SEN & therefore is resorting to part funding his own Airport`s customers...Not a winning formula me thinks...Think perhaps Plane Station/EU Jet @ Manston....Stand to be corrected of course,Best Wishes Bobby..."
Nearly seven years on and with EZY half way through a five year contract things look a lot rosier for SEN than Southside's gloomy prognostications.
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AirportPlanner1.....nope `cliché routes being slightly irrelevant is no answer I`m afraid... When I point out every `drome can fill a plane on these routes it says it all really...hate to use the word but yield springs to mind....& also confirms perhaps a view that EZY are only filling & using locked in capacity on "safe" routes...perhaps as justification...
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No runwayman - you are not the only one getting bored!! Of course yield is not really relevant in the initial push to get routes going. Really strange that some people are so fixated on it.
Perhaps Southside Bobby from Stansted - sorry Bishops Stortford - could add his two pennies worth. For example - how is the yield on Jet 2 from Stansted to Reus on 07/06 - returning 14/06 - at £25 each way? Prices on Jet 2 website at 1520H today.
Perhaps Southside Bobby from Stansted - sorry Bishops Stortford - could add his two pennies worth. For example - how is the yield on Jet 2 from Stansted to Reus on 07/06 - returning 14/06 - at £25 each way? Prices on Jet 2 website at 1520H today.
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Barling Magna & EssexMan61.......hehe but doesn`t cut it I`m afraid....still not able to take off those rose tinted specs......Oh & AirportPlanner1 ever considered that EZY have got to know the many retirees habituated in the area..(over a barrel perhaps).. who have no desire or wish(good luck to them) as last short notice pax to look around & have the local airport "syndrome"..Your assertion concerning ancillary spend at SEN is dubious & most certainly pure hypothesis on your behalf...how many shops now in the Terminal?......perhaps they sell a lot of those rose tinted specs too...You would do well to have the financial numbers from Messrs Stobart...Anyways good luck with it all....SS