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I've not had chance to fully go through the report but does it cover off how the current terminal capacity will be increased to cope with all the additional flights?
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Only a politician could dream up the idea of two linearly arranged runways. Why can't governments ever get expert advice on anything? This proposal from one set of politically prioritised buffoons, and Boris Island another politically motivated but economically, operationally, environmentally and practicality impossible proposal. Where do they get these arrogant, meddling fools?
Is someone going to make mention of Pan Am / KLM on Tenerife from 1977 in public at any point ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenerife_airport_disaster
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenerife_airport_disaster
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Only a politician could dream up the idea of two linearly arranged runways.
Jock Lowe devises £7.5bn plan to extend runways at Heathrow
But it's still a crackpot idea.
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Would a 6000 metre runway be suitable for this?
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I agree with much of what has been said-especially about the end to end 6000m dual runway , tailwind ,wet runway brake problems as an A360 hurtles into a bunch of wide bodies at the holding point for the 'other half' of the runway , that should kill about 2000 people so that's a really great idea .
However the real scandal is that people have been paid huge sums of money to produce a report that is a complete example of the university of the bleeding obvious. We don't have enough runway capacity so perhaps we should build another runway at two existing airports. How long have we taken to get a third runway at LHR -it was probably needed at the end of the last century and this report suggests it should be built by 2030 so that's taken 40 years and will finally cost £100Bn, that's 15Bn for the runway and £85Bn on lawyers and consultants -FRA and CDG must laugh themselves silly.
On the radio today in a discussion on the subject a 'Green' lady said LHR3 would be 'an environmental disaster for West London. Just how would that be as airliners are very low emission and now very quiet (compared to road traffic) . Besides who actually lives in W London, as far as I can see three groups of people live in West London , well-off people , who use airports for business and leisure, people of non British origin who use airports for VFR and thirdly people who work in and around the mighty LHR. So if there is any noise pollution it will mostly be suffered by people who use or work at Heathrow which is a completely reasonable outcome.. It does overlook the fact that LHR is on Easterlies some of the time-but then only the Queen is impacted but she has lots of houses so she doesn't care. (although by the time LHR 3 is built Kate's unborn child will be monarch. )
Bit of a rant I know but this whole process encapsulates the UK's complete uselessness when it comes to infrastructure investment and project management as well failure to appreciate the negative impact on our economy.
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However the real scandal is that people have been paid huge sums of money to produce a report that is a complete example of the university of the bleeding obvious. We don't have enough runway capacity so perhaps we should build another runway at two existing airports. How long have we taken to get a third runway at LHR -it was probably needed at the end of the last century and this report suggests it should be built by 2030 so that's taken 40 years and will finally cost £100Bn, that's 15Bn for the runway and £85Bn on lawyers and consultants -FRA and CDG must laugh themselves silly.
On the radio today in a discussion on the subject a 'Green' lady said LHR3 would be 'an environmental disaster for West London. Just how would that be as airliners are very low emission and now very quiet (compared to road traffic) . Besides who actually lives in W London, as far as I can see three groups of people live in West London , well-off people , who use airports for business and leisure, people of non British origin who use airports for VFR and thirdly people who work in and around the mighty LHR. So if there is any noise pollution it will mostly be suffered by people who use or work at Heathrow which is a completely reasonable outcome.. It does overlook the fact that LHR is on Easterlies some of the time-but then only the Queen is impacted but she has lots of houses so she doesn't care. (although by the time LHR 3 is built Kate's unborn child will be monarch. )
Bit of a rant I know but this whole process encapsulates the UK's complete uselessness when it comes to infrastructure investment and project management as well failure to appreciate the negative impact on our economy.
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It is also interesting to note that, at the present time, none of The Board and Executive of the ANSP who will be tasked with making the preferred scheme work, has ever worn an ATC headset. Well, not one that was issuing live instructions.
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The report says the road system will be totally overwhelmed by the time the new R/W at LHR is built. Hence they assume that something will be done to improve the M4/M25 This surely indicates more than anything that a new site is needed.
It took literally years of misery & gridlock just to add an extra lane to the M25 so any so called improvement of air movements will be nullified by the extra building works. All things considered I believe Boris is right.
It took literally years of misery & gridlock just to add an extra lane to the M25 so any so called improvement of air movements will be nullified by the extra building works. All things considered I believe Boris is right.
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It is also interesting to note that, at the present time, none of The Board and Executive of the ANSP who will be tasked with making the preferred scheme work, has ever worn an ATC headset. Well, not one that was issuing live instructions
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All things considered I believe Boris is right.
A project supported by architects on the brink of multi billion pound mulitple paydays? A project that has not even begun to be properly costed?
Even though it's on the wrong side of London and would see Heathrow close with up to 70,000 jobs lost, many of which are low paid blue collar?
All of this as the debt rises year on year even though the deficit is closing slowly? You're suggesting nothing but adding even more and more and more government debt, run up on the never never onto the shoulders of children born into a world where a pension is fast becoming a dream?
You honestly don't think we should just fix the bloody road?
God save us from farcical spending plans with other people's money!
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you are probably correct, (knowing the speed that things happen here), but doubtless they will replace themselves with others of their own kind.
you are probably correct, (knowing the speed that things happen here), but doubtless they will replace themselves with others of their own kind.
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Out of interest how much in terms of landing amd departure slots is made up of frieght traffic and 'smaller' Aircraft. Eg domestic flights and say those going as far as Amsterdam , Paris and Frankfurt etc?.
Just that no matter what is done the current situation that neefs an instant fix can't be dealt with unless someone thinjs out of the box.
For example are the new Cseries capable of operating out of Lcy?. If so why cannot BA transfer a lot of the shuttle flights there?.
With Crossrail being open much sooner than any new runway anywhere surely it could be an option until our goverments stop worrying about their jobs and allowances and actually make a proper choice and plan of action.
It seems madness that the rest of Europe can build vast airports wherever they choose even if they endup unused.
Even the Scottish executive seems to manage to plan capital projects and have shovels in the ground well inside a decade. ...
Just that no matter what is done the current situation that neefs an instant fix can't be dealt with unless someone thinjs out of the box.
For example are the new Cseries capable of operating out of Lcy?. If so why cannot BA transfer a lot of the shuttle flights there?.
With Crossrail being open much sooner than any new runway anywhere surely it could be an option until our goverments stop worrying about their jobs and allowances and actually make a proper choice and plan of action.
It seems madness that the rest of Europe can build vast airports wherever they choose even if they endup unused.
Even the Scottish executive seems to manage to plan capital projects and have shovels in the ground well inside a decade. ...
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If so why cannot BA transfer a lot of the shuttle flights there?.
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I was not aware that BA had ordered C Series for LCY. The Davis report however, still leaves the possibility of LCY closing to accommodate the new island airport. Also if built who pays for the hangars for BA maintenence that will be bulldozed at LHR?
There clearly is only one sensible option here (two if you include LGW as an and not if) and that is the LHR 3rd runway. That has been the case for years, the politics are, as always getting in the way of common sense.
Sadly it will probably never happen and the UK as a whole will once again loose out for the sake of a few votes from West London.
There clearly is only one sensible option here (two if you include LGW as an and not if) and that is the LHR 3rd runway. That has been the case for years, the politics are, as always getting in the way of common sense.
Sadly it will probably never happen and the UK as a whole will once again loose out for the sake of a few votes from West London.
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Have little impact on M25 for additional PAX as plan would be to continue to get transit passengers. In addition public transport would get an uplift.
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By the time the UK government agree on what airport gets what amount of runways in what configuration the UK won't need them, because pax and airline traffic would have already moved to Europe & the Middle East by then.
It may be a bleak and simplistic view, but due to the outstanding bureaucracy involved it is the most realistic outcome
It may be a bleak and simplistic view, but due to the outstanding bureaucracy involved it is the most realistic outcome
This isn't the case racedo. LHR has 180k pax a day, only 37% of which are transfer - and some of those will be travelling to a hotel for the transit. This ratio has been pretty stable for several years. If pax numbers double, this will put over 100k more pax arriving or departing each day. Living near to J13 M25 (immediately South of LHR), I can tell you that the motorway is at a standstill both ways at least once a day. Business pax, in particular, just do not want to use public transport, nor do most others, judging by the traffic on our frequent visits to T5.
Big question that nobody seems to be asking exactly where all these new passengers will come from.... I got no idea nor do I believe others have.
Thing is if currently there are 2.6 Million pax between LHR-NYC will there be 5 million post this.....................doubt it.