A350s for British Airways?
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A350s for British Airways?
The Wall Street Journal seems to think an order is imminent.
IAG in Talks to Order Airbus A350 Jets for British Airways - WSJ.com
Any thoughts?
IAG in Talks to Order Airbus A350 Jets for British Airways - WSJ.com
Any thoughts?
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Reuters) - Airline holding company International Airlines Group (ICAG.L) could order Airbus' new A350 long-range aircraft for its British Airways arm as soon as this week, the Wall Street Journal reported on Monday.
The exact number of planes to be ordered and the potential value of the contract were still under discussion with the talks mainly centred on the A350-1000, the largest aircraft in the A350 range, the WSJ said on its website citing two people familiar with the talks. (r.reuters.com/byn96t)
The financial daily cited one of the people as saying the order could also include the smaller A350-900.
If a deal is agreed, it would be a win for EADS-owned (EAD.PA) Airbus over rival Boeing Co (BA.N) which is trying to sell British Airways the next version of its popular 777 wide-body jet, the paper reported.
However, the Journal said British Airways, which already has a large fleet of Boeing 777s, could still order the revamped 777X.
British Airways mainly operates Boeing aircraft on long-haul routes with its current Airbus planes, mainly from the A320 family, used on shorter runs, according to the airline's website.
However, the company also has 12 Airbus A380 super-jumbos on order, its website shows.
Airbus was not immediately available for comment. An IAG spokeswoman declined to comment.
The exact number of planes to be ordered and the potential value of the contract were still under discussion with the talks mainly centred on the A350-1000, the largest aircraft in the A350 range, the WSJ said on its website citing two people familiar with the talks. (r.reuters.com/byn96t)
The financial daily cited one of the people as saying the order could also include the smaller A350-900.
If a deal is agreed, it would be a win for EADS-owned (EAD.PA) Airbus over rival Boeing Co (BA.N) which is trying to sell British Airways the next version of its popular 777 wide-body jet, the paper reported.
However, the Journal said British Airways, which already has a large fleet of Boeing 777s, could still order the revamped 777X.
British Airways mainly operates Boeing aircraft on long-haul routes with its current Airbus planes, mainly from the A320 family, used on shorter runs, according to the airline's website.
However, the company also has 12 Airbus A380 super-jumbos on order, its website shows.
Airbus was not immediately available for comment. An IAG spokeswoman declined to comment.
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The A350-900 and A350-1000 are natural replacements for Iberia's A340-300s and A340-600s. The A350-900 would also complement the 787-9 for British Airways' 777-200ER replacements, though the 787-10 would offer more capacity for TATL missions.
As a 747-400 replacement, the 777-9 has the advantage of being able to more closely match the capacity of both the low-J and high-J models than the A350-1000 can. The 777-9 can use the same Economy Class hard product as the 747-400 in the same 10-abreast configuration and the additional 3 meters of cabin length would allow BA to roughly fit 16 additional Club World seats on the main deck, which would mostly make up the loss of the 20 seats on the 747-400's upper deck.
So I could see IAG operating all models of the 787 family (-8 | -9 | -10) along with the A350-900, A350-1000, 777-9 and A380-800.
As a 747-400 replacement, the 777-9 has the advantage of being able to more closely match the capacity of both the low-J and high-J models than the A350-1000 can. The 777-9 can use the same Economy Class hard product as the 747-400 in the same 10-abreast configuration and the additional 3 meters of cabin length would allow BA to roughly fit 16 additional Club World seats on the main deck, which would mostly make up the loss of the 20 seats on the 747-400's upper deck.
So I could see IAG operating all models of the 787 family (-8 | -9 | -10) along with the A350-900, A350-1000, 777-9 and A380-800.
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With United planning to return & cancel its current 787 orders??? I am not surprised by this rumour. Despite its fantastic low fuel consumption I have always thought the 787 to be too small. It only has a modest increase in seat capacity over the 767, the a/c BA are seeking to replace. So with the current battery problems, & other problems yet to be revealed maybe?? it makes sense to look at other options. The A350 could just be the answer??
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The A350 could just be the answer??
I think it is kind of premature to judge one new flying-grounded type vs. new yet nonflying type.
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its fantastic low fuel consumption ..
Walnut, have you seen any credible figures for in-service 787 fuel consumption?
Apart from Boeing's vague "20% lower than X" claim, I haven't seen anything.
You're right about the size: it was a big mistake to make the 787-8 too small to be profitable.
Apart from Boeing's vague "20% lower than X" claim, I haven't seen anything.
You're right about the size: it was a big mistake to make the 787-8 too small to be profitable.
More bang for your buck
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Don't know where you get that from but it's incorrect.
United 'returning and cancelling it's orders'
United, Boeing Agree to 787 Buyback - FlyerTalk Forums
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As A4 says, that Flyertalk article was a very good April Fool joke. The clue was the Senior Vice President Finance "Linda Smoken-Mirrors", and the Director of In-Flight Amenities, "Rachel Paytivee".
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Boeing PR states the 777-9 will seat up to 407 passengers, close to 747 seat counts.
Deception.
Boeing uses "typical" seatcounts in this case 10 abreast in these new 777s.
BA tried and abandoned 10 abreast on the 777. Little chance they will re-use them next to the World Traveler seats currently used. E.g. the differences with the A380s would be too visible/ noticeable.
So use 9 abreast in the back and realize the 777-9 will be less then 3 meters longer then the A350-1000. Then look at both aircraft empty weights and the writing is on the wall IMO.
Deception.
Boeing uses "typical" seatcounts in this case 10 abreast in these new 777s.
BA tried and abandoned 10 abreast on the 777. Little chance they will re-use them next to the World Traveler seats currently used. E.g. the differences with the A380s would be too visible/ noticeable.
So use 9 abreast in the back and realize the 777-9 will be less then 3 meters longer then the A350-1000. Then look at both aircraft empty weights and the writing is on the wall IMO.
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LHR-Sydney non-stop "and general public preference all go against it. "
really? surely its just what you want for a hub and spoke operation - and I've never found passengers are keen on a stop if they can go through non-stop
The question would be are there enough other routes of such length that makes it worthwhile buying such a specialised fleet - not many I guess
really? surely its just what you want for a hub and spoke operation - and I've never found passengers are keen on a stop if they can go through non-stop
The question would be are there enough other routes of such length that makes it worthwhile buying such a specialised fleet - not many I guess
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In related news, IAG today converted 18 787 options into firm orders.
IAG and Boeing agree $4bn Dreamliner deal | Business | The Guardian
British Airways parent IAG, Boeing reach deal on 18 Dreamliners | Reuters
IAG and Boeing agree $4bn Dreamliner deal | Business | The Guardian
British Airways parent IAG, Boeing reach deal on 18 Dreamliners | Reuters
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