Spot the difference between legacy and LoCo
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Norwegian are by any measure a low cost airline and they through ticket on many routes,even with hold luggage, in fact if you check out their website you will see that you can select either direct or connecting routes.
You of course pay for food and drink and they make big play that they don't need to give you a free newspaper because they provide free WiFi on board so you can surf/read what you want
They also shortly to start long haul flights, so the gap gets ever closer"
Hmm, must admit, wasn't aware of that one! No "no-frills" outfit has yet made long haul work, maybe they'll be the first. Are you sure that they are pure "no-frills"?
Would expect the blurring to continue as each type has to react to market conditions. It's the old adage: adapt and survive.
Quote: "A friend of mine works in a small, traditional travel agency. They are in the High Street of a prosperous town in the Home Counties where many commute to London. They continue to do great business - with the over 50s. They know they are in a terminal business."
The travel agent of the future will probably specialise in niche options and complicated trips, and providing visa services, etc.. Of course there are also those who will always want a personal touch.
Quote: "Some of the legacy airlines have what might be commonly referred to as "open jaw returns", namely fly out to one airport and fly back from another."
Some of the "legacies" have been doing open-jaw for quite a while, and airline online booking also allows for "multi-sector" flights to be booked. In addition there are various deals such as "round-the-world" options.
Norwegian are by any measure a low cost airline and they through ticket on many routes,even with hold luggage, in fact if you check out their website you will see that you can select either direct or connecting routes.
You of course pay for food and drink and they make big play that they don't need to give you a free newspaper because they provide free WiFi on board so you can surf/read what you want
They also shortly to start long haul flights, so the gap gets ever closer"
Hmm, must admit, wasn't aware of that one! No "no-frills" outfit has yet made long haul work, maybe they'll be the first. Are you sure that they are pure "no-frills"?
Would expect the blurring to continue as each type has to react to market conditions. It's the old adage: adapt and survive.
Quote: "A friend of mine works in a small, traditional travel agency. They are in the High Street of a prosperous town in the Home Counties where many commute to London. They continue to do great business - with the over 50s. They know they are in a terminal business."
The travel agent of the future will probably specialise in niche options and complicated trips, and providing visa services, etc.. Of course there are also those who will always want a personal touch.
Quote: "Some of the legacy airlines have what might be commonly referred to as "open jaw returns", namely fly out to one airport and fly back from another."
Some of the "legacies" have been doing open-jaw for quite a while, and airline online booking also allows for "multi-sector" flights to be booked. In addition there are various deals such as "round-the-world" options.
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It wonders me that so many equals low cost carriers with being no frills carriers. Since Norwegian Air Shuttle has been mentioned here, it's definitely not a no frills carrier but they have low costs due to a slim administration, innovative use of information technology and intelligent revenue mangement. Use of new 186 seat B738w also contibute to lower costs although they have the same Recaro seats as many legacy carriers have and the leg room is equal or better than most legacy carriers due no extravagant gallies, closets and extra leg room up front. You have pay extra for checked in baggage and reservation of a seat, but then don't need to wait for this seat reservation until it's 22 hours before departure - you just reserve the seat when you pay for the ticket. As long as you use a debet card you don't need to pay for paying the ticket (no extra charge). If you want to bring with you your bike or your golf bag on a vacation, the extra charge for this is lower than most of the legacy carriers. When you are inside the cabin you aren't bombarded with a sticky yellow colour, or saturated red colour, or overhead bin doors plastered with ads or a large letter destination overview. The only colour splash in the cabin in addition to the dark blue leather seats is the small red headrest cloth with a Norwegian logo on it. As someone here mentioned on most flights (not flights flown with the few -300s left + a few leased older -800s) you get free Internet in stead of the free newspaper that some legacy carriers offer (again new tech vs. old tech). Through the same WiFi connection it will now be possible to rent videos or music for a small extra charge; you need only to log on to a server on board through the portal with your own device (BYOD technology). The crew on board can smile and they will help in any way they can, but they don't push BOB or lottery tickets - on the shortest domestic flights they don't even offer BOB. You will never be exposed for a cheap on time fanfare. If you want to travel from let's say Bodø (BOO) to Gatwick (LGW), Norwegian offers a through ticket (via OSL) and the next time you see the baggage you checked in at BOO is at LGW.
In other words Norwegian offer a strait forward honest service, and with a punctuality equal to the best of the legacy carriers and a regularity better than most of the same carriers. It is pretty certain that you arrive at your destination on time and that for a reasonable price. What more can you ask for?
In other words Norwegian offer a strait forward honest service, and with a punctuality equal to the best of the legacy carriers and a regularity better than most of the same carriers. It is pretty certain that you arrive at your destination on time and that for a reasonable price. What more can you ask for?
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I have used Norwegian a couple of times a couple of years ago and was impressed, certainly on my short list. It is possible that they may be ahead of the game and starting off with a slim administration is key. Something the legacies cannot hope to do ever!
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In other words Norwegian offer a strait forward honest service, and with a punctuality equal to the best of the legacy carriers and a regularity better than most of the same carriers. It is pretty certain that you arrive at your destination on time and that for a reasonable price. What more can you ask for?
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On Norwegian you are so cynical
Tis funny how everybody hates the Ryanair model but then start to follow elements of it under another name dressed up in shiny ribbons.
On Norwegian you are so cynical
Tis funny how everybody hates the Ryanair model but then start to follow elements of it under another name dressed up in shiny ribbons.
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Firstly, Iīm not refering to the passengers only to the type of product provided by such airlines. Secondly, as quoted, itīs my personal opinion regarding the topic of this thread. Btw, please note that I didnīt name any airlines in my third, "trash", category. Oh, and that predictable "employment" argument is complete nonsense. You can equally employ thousands of people providing a better product for the same costs, as indeed many low cost airlines thankfully do.
Firstly, Iīm not refering to the passengers only to the type of product provided by such airlines. Secondly, as quoted, itīs my personal opinion regarding the topic of this thread. Btw, please note that I didnīt name any airlines in my third, "trash", category. Oh, and that predictable "employment" argument is complete nonsense. You can equally employ thousands of people providing a better product for the same costs, as indeed many low cost airlines thankfully do.
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The European Short Haul airline model is moving well into the maturity stage. They will start to differentiate from each other, as evidenced by Easy Jet now offering bookable seats, Norwegian offering in-flight WiFi, and the Legacy carriers offering non-baggage fares. The differentiation will continue, and no doubt fares will increase, as revenues must increase to pay for end-loaded aircraft leasing costs. The major low cost airlines are forecast to grow by at least another 50%, which will tip the growth cycle into a decline due to market over-supply. Eventually, probably during the next recession, due at the end of this decade, there will be a serious casualty. In all industries, what goes around comes around, and I would also expect the current fashion for big airline groups will also go out of the window.
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Skipness One Echo, last time I checked my pay check the payment didn't come from Norwegian Air Shuttle nor a business even related to the aviation industry. The last 20 years I've earned my money in the pharmaceutical industry, and I like to spend my money wisely. The last flight I had with Norwegian was five days ago - a short domestic hop back from an Easter holiday on the west coast of Norway. SAS was an option for this flight, but with a price tag almost Ģ70 higher the choice was easy.
