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Old 23rd Feb 2013, 11:48
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British Midland experience with the BaeATP

I know BD was the launch customer yet why did British Midland keep the ATP for such a short time? what routes did it fly and what, if any, were the criticisms of the aircraft?
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Old 23rd Feb 2013, 12:21
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BMA operated the ATP for eight years -hardly a short period of time.

They were transferred within the British Regional group (A subsidiary of the bishop empire) to Loganair and Manx and subsequently to operate as a BA franchise.
Finally they went with the first sale by Bishop to BA being merged with BA Regional operations.

During their tenure at BMA two operated from EMA to LHR AMS BRU and the Channel Isles, and one from BHX to LHR and BRU
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Old 23rd Feb 2013, 14:40
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Rekindled a question I always wanted to ask..why did some ATPs have longer nose gear legs than others??

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Old 23rd Feb 2013, 15:04
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Original ATPs were delivered with extended nosegear length to allow non airstair standard jetway gate boarding etc, but steep downward gradient in the cabin and holds were met with complaints and a standard shorter nose wheel was later offered
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Old 23rd Feb 2013, 15:04
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So an airbridge could be used, don't think this ever happened though.
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Old 23rd Feb 2013, 17:55
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BMA may never have use the airbridge for the ATP, but United did at least once.

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Old 23rd Feb 2013, 19:55
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They did get a couple more after G-BMYK/L/M had gone on to Manx/Loganair. One flew LBA-GLA for a time.

Why did they not keep them longer? They were terribly unreliable as BA soon found out too. ATP= "Another Technical Problem"
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Old 23rd Feb 2013, 20:11
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As well as another technical problem it was also known as "Avro's taking the p***

Also during the production period they sacked the production manager and replaced him with another Bae manager, just so happens it was the canteen manager, I kid you not. After that it was nicknamed "Advanced tater pie" !
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Old 23rd Feb 2013, 20:29
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Flew quite a number of BMA ATP sectors between Oct 88 and Nov 1991. I knew of its reputation but I was lucky and never experienced any technical delays or cancellations. The only (2 hour) delay I recorded was due to ATC restrictions that day on an BHX-BRU sector. My vague recollection was that I didn't find it particularly comfortable to fly in.
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Old 23rd Feb 2013, 21:01
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Got a feeling an ATP went into a tug at JER and the driver got out just in time

-found the report


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Old 23rd Feb 2013, 22:44
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The real reason for the long nose leg: The flightdeck cup holders were initially not level and that was the fix which BAe provided.

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Old 24th Feb 2013, 01:05
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Got a feeling an ATP went into a tug at JER and the driver got out just in time
I vaguely recall an ATP jack-knifing into a tug on pushback at EMA on an icy day.
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Old 24th Feb 2013, 02:13
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I paxed on them numerous times LTN~IOM and found them to be fine and never a tech canx, IIRC. However, I do recall reading in one of these forums the opinion that the wing was misplaced and that subsequently, balance for departure was keen.

Also that it provided a real flying experience for the drivers - this was seen as a positive, albeit a bit of a sideswipe, as they meant that you had to keep on top of it.

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Old 24th Feb 2013, 06:03
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Old 24th Feb 2013, 07:22
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I worked at flight sheds at Woodford, I remember the first flight of the ATP, the test pilot, Robbie Robinson, addressed the press after landing and made the famous statement. "Tell that designer chappie, we have a winner here"..

How wrong could he be!
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Old 24th Feb 2013, 08:32
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One of the USP's claimed initially by BAe was that the ATP didn't need a push back, but could reverse using it's own power from a stand.
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Old 24th Feb 2013, 10:02
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Manx ATPs powered back at Ronaldsway for a number of years
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Old 24th Feb 2013, 11:35
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Indeed, 'powerback and taxi' was SOP for years at Ronaldsway until H&S reared its head. The J41 did the same.

I flew the ATP, both left and right hand seats, over a couple of years and, despite the aircrafts' reputation for tech problems, I was fortunate never to have experienced anything 'major'. Electrical glitches were no more or less than on any other type I've flown. Of course, there were some noteable gear problems and yes, there were some nasty incidents with the nose-wheel hydraulics and tugs.

The cognoscenti often said it was typically British and over-engineered. It was a 'heavy' aircraft in terms of handling but rock solid and was built like the proverbial but was underpowered and 50 kts too slow in comparison to the opposition appearing at the time. Luton to Kerry into a 100kt westerly was an early introduction to long-haul.

On the other end of the radio, I was a controller at Midland Radar (RAF area radar sited at North Luffenham, Leicestershire) during the period when the ATP was being test flown from Woodford. A call to console to take a handover from Woodford on an ATP test flight in the Licolnshire MTA was something else to be dreaded!

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Old 24th Feb 2013, 18:39
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British Midland also used them on the Leeds-Paris service they started when Air UK pulled off.
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