Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Misc. Forums > Airlines, Airports & Routes
Reload this Page >

BER not before 2014 !

Wikiposts
Search
Airlines, Airports & Routes Topics about airports, routes and airline business.

BER not before 2014 !

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 7th Nov 2016, 20:56
  #101 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Middlesex (under the flightpath)
Posts: 1,946
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Now seems that Berlin's airport is unlikely to open before 2019
BER now unlikely to open before 2019 - Business Traveller

Probably the biggest embarrassment in Germany since the Nazi's


Is this airport being built in Latin America?
We in the UK shouldn't crow, this fiasco pales into insignificance when compared to the still unresolved 50 year saga of Heathrow expansion!
Fairdealfrank is offline  
Old 7th Nov 2016, 21:51
  #102 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: UK
Posts: 697
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
However when we did finally build T5, it went quite well really. It's especially bad for Germany's reputation at a time when Siemens is also having problems with trains.
01475 is offline  
Old 22nd Jan 2017, 23:29
  #103 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Geneva, Switzerland
Age: 58
Posts: 1,907
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
The farce continues

I'm at loss for words

Berlin?s delayed Brandenburg Airport will not open in 2017 | News | DW.COM | 21.01.2017
atakacs is offline  
Old 22nd Jan 2017, 23:32
  #104 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Ireland
Posts: 1,455
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I don't understand why though.

Like if there is so much wrong, and this was all acknowledged, and it being Germany, the fact these issues haven't been solved is just bizzare.
AerRyan is offline  
Old 23rd Jan 2017, 06:13
  #105 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Geneva, Switzerland
Age: 58
Posts: 1,907
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
I would agree that the whole thing is really beyond surreal.

Ok there have are "safety" issues with whatever has been built initially. After Dusseldorf 96 I guess it is a fairly sensitive matter... I can even accept that there are missing blueprints and that work was subpar. But there doesn't seem to be clear understanding of what is really happening (at least not being communicated).
atakacs is offline  
Old 1st Feb 2017, 08:05
  #106 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Geneva, Switzerland
Age: 58
Posts: 1,907
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
BER in business

Just realized BER is in fact in business !



You can already use the parking facilites there...

Better than nothing I guess...

Last edited by atakacs; 1st Feb 2017 at 08:05. Reason: typo
atakacs is offline  
Old 1st Feb 2017, 08:27
  #107 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Essex
Posts: 1,109
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Like if there is so much wrong, and this was all acknowledged, and it being Germany, the fact these issues haven't been solved is just bizzare.
Germany's reputation for steely-eyed efficiency is rather over-rated.
Barling Magna is offline  
Old 1st Feb 2017, 12:02
  #108 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Beyond the Blue Horizon
Age: 63
Posts: 1,257
Received 155 Likes on 98 Posts
Barling Magna
Bit like the British one for over selling and under delivering in my experience of UK PLC.


Regards
Mr Mac
Mr Mac is offline  
Old 1st Feb 2017, 21:49
  #109 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Essex
Posts: 1,109
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Bit like the British one for over selling and under delivering in my experience of UK PLC.
True, but we're talking about the Germans here.
Barling Magna is offline  
Old 2nd Feb 2017, 11:52
  #110 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Beyond the Blue Horizon
Age: 63
Posts: 1,257
Received 155 Likes on 98 Posts
Barling Magna
True, and the Germans have had other large capital project over run significantly before, I remember the canal link from Rhine to Danube was years late but it was completed eventually. My point is that it at least was built, when you compare with our Heathrow runway debacle where we are no nearer starting the bulldozers then we were 5 years ago. I wait with bated breath to see what happens with HS2 the train set nobody but the govt seems to want.


Regards
Mr Mac
Mr Mac is offline  
Old 2nd Feb 2017, 12:21
  #111 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Oban, Scotland
Posts: 1,844
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I believe that some years ago a new standard contract was drawn up for major projects. That is why HS1 and, so far, Crosstalk, were/are on time and budget. The principle of HS2 is correct; the route and specification is wrong.
inOban is offline  
Old 3rd Feb 2017, 17:35
  #112 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Beyond the Blue Horizon
Age: 63
Posts: 1,257
Received 155 Likes on 98 Posts
inOban
Final account is nowhere near being agreed on Cross Rail talking to the people compiling it, and currently they have considerable problems with M&E with more cable being ripped out than is going in. However as this is yet another London vanity project I suspect costs will be fudged and pushed down the road, and released on obscure day or under a bigger story and when they think we will all have forgotten about it.


Regards
Mr Mac
Mr Mac is offline  
Old 3rd Feb 2017, 18:39
  #113 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Oban, Scotland
Posts: 1,844
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I'm well aware of these issues. If I'm right, the cost will fall on the contractors, but we'll see.
inOban is offline  
Old 4th Feb 2017, 09:23
  #114 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: London
Posts: 7,072
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Some infrastructure projects do work - Reading Station revamp was over £ 500 million but came in a year early and under budget for example
Heathrow Harry is offline  
Old 4th Feb 2017, 09:35
  #115 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Oban, Scotland
Posts: 1,844
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Exactly. I believe the contract encourages contractors to work smart and work together. The new Queensferry crossing may be late because of last winter's weather, but I think it's on budget.
inOban is offline  
Old 4th Feb 2017, 10:19
  #116 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Blighty
Posts: 5,675
Likes: 0
Received 22 Likes on 17 Posts
Could I very gently suggest moving the discussion to Berlin rather than the more general topic of project management of large pieces of infrastructure construction ?
davidjohnson6 is offline  
Old 4th Feb 2017, 10:57
  #117 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Oban, Scotland
Posts: 1,844
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Agree. I think we are suggesting that the UK has now developed a project management structure which seems to work better than Germany's.
inOban is offline  
Old 9th Feb 2017, 15:38
  #118 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Yorkshire Dales
Posts: 28
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Is there any truth in the rumour that because of ever increasing passenger numbers Tegel will have to remain open and in fact be expanded?
Robin757 is offline  
Old 10th Feb 2017, 21:15
  #119 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Middlesex (under the flightpath)
Posts: 1,946
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
BER in business
Just realized BER is in fact in business !
It's called Schonefeld, IIRC.


Is there any truth in the rumour that because of ever increasing passenger numbers Tegel will have to remain open and in fact be expanded?
Probably, it should have been done in the first place.
Fairdealfrank is offline  
Old 11th Feb 2017, 00:41
  #120 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Blighty
Posts: 5,675
Likes: 0
Received 22 Likes on 17 Posts
Is there any truth in the rumour that because of ever increasing passenger numbers Tegel will have to remain open and in fact be expanded?
Robin757 - I've seen talk about Schoenefeld possibly reamining open because BER won't be able to cope with both the current Berlin airports being closed, but I've never heard anything about Tegel remaining open and even being expanded. Do you happen to have a source for this (even if it is in German) ?
davidjohnson6 is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.