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Old 18th Aug 2013, 12:17
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There seems to be some confusion on another site that Saudi have handed back their MAN slots.

They have not handed slots back, and in fact the flights have now made it into GDS preview, but not yet bookable:

SV198 JED 0425 MAN 0815
SV199 MAN 1010 JED 1935

Wed, Fri, Sun B777-200 from 22nd Jan

(GDS has this start date but could be earlier/later as full details are not yet loaded)
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Old 18th Aug 2013, 18:54
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Thanks for confirming that about Saudia Lax Lhr. I thought they hadnt handed slots back as i have had a conversation with a hotel about Taking care of there transport needs. Im glad to see them back and cant wait for the next big long haul announcement
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Old 19th Aug 2013, 06:41
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EK19/20 changing from B773 to A380 from September 21st-September 30th.

Bit of a strange one. Why just for those days? Atrial run to see if it's viable on a more permanent basis maybe?
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Old 19th Aug 2013, 06:52
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EK19/20 changing from B773 to A380 from September 21st-September
30th.

Bit of a strange one. Why just for those days? Atrial run to see
if it's viable on a more permanent basis maybe?
Discussed on the last page. Its down to high demand initially and also to see how MAN copes with double daily A380 ops. Looking to be made a permanent change as soon as a frame is available.
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Old 19th Aug 2013, 10:36
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and also to see how MAN copes with double daily A380 ops.
What would the expected issues be? Does it conflict with a wave of arrivals at that time in T1?
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Old 19th Aug 2013, 10:57
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What would the expected issues be? Does it conflict with a wave of arrivals
at that time in T1
The main reason is the higher than expected forward bookings, but, Im genuinely unsure what the issue is regarding the trial. T1 arrivals not exactly heaving around 19:15 (just 2x Lufthansa jungle jets, 1x Easyjet and 1x Jet2).
The departure period of 21:00-21:35 is only marginally busier with 6 departures.

Having handled an A380 for nearly 3 years, and on some days dispatching 2 A380 within 1 hour (LHR diverts and delays from previous days), its strange to think that MAN requires a 'trial', however, this is the story I was told and maybe complete balderdash?
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Old 19th Aug 2013, 15:46
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As I have mentioned before, I have been told that this is due to equipment shortages and from end of October it will go to double daily.
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Old 19th Aug 2013, 19:48
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Man of Man...... Please can you enlighten us as to your source for the Emirates news? Today i spoke to 2 people who are very much in the know about the Emirates flights into man and neither would confirm that they are going double daily permanent.... The company i work for at Man has just signed a 6 year supply contract with Emirates and they sstill wouldnt confirm anything to me!! So please man of man let me know your source even if its by a Private message.... Thanks
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Old 23rd Aug 2013, 05:54
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Egyptair to Cairo now fully bookable for the winter season. Still daily ex-Mon/Wed and still on B737-800. Good to see them continue, they have had good loads considering the issues in Cairo.

Lufthansa to introduce B77F on the LH8165 from December. Being reported as a new route on another site but is not new, currently served every Thursday with MD11F, so is just an aircraft type change. LH cargo will still be 3 weekly as now.
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Old 23rd Aug 2013, 09:31
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According to ACL the slots for Saudia have defiantly been handed back.

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Old 23rd Aug 2013, 09:34
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MANCHESTER - 9

Flynonstop have brought forward the start date from the 03 rd Jan to the 01st November.
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Old 23rd Aug 2013, 09:38
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According to ACL the slots for Saudia have defiantly been handed back.
They have handed back the 4 they do not intend to use. They had applied for 7, (for either daily flights or to have flexibility of which days they wanted to operate).

The 3 slots for Wed, Fri and Sun are still live and their GDS preview is still live.

I personally think they will start in S14, but, everything is still open for a W13/14 start should they want to.
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Old 23rd Aug 2013, 11:38
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LAX-LHR,

Love your optimism, really not sure they can fill 3 777s when the region is already well covered by EK, EY QR.Hope Im wrong

However you never know at MAN remember Gulf Air flying for ages when sometimes they were virtually empty.

Hope they do come, and a nice colour scheme for us spotters too.

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Old 23rd Aug 2013, 11:44
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Love your optimism, really not sure they can fill 3 777s when the region is
already well covered by EK, EY QR.Hope Im wrong
Firstly, its not about optimism, its about what is physically there to view. The flights are in GDS preview, the CEO has stated they want to fly to Manchester next year so obviously he sees a market.

Secondly, EK/EY have seen 95%+ loads over the past 3 weeks from MAN, with many flights full, so, obviously the market is not as saturated as some think. EK would not be putting an extra A380 into MAN if the market was about full, so, still some wiggle room yet.
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Old 23rd Aug 2013, 13:47
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If they applied for 7 slots, but hand back 4 you may be right in that they wanted to pick some days out of those, thats your glass half full.

However it may also be the case they have decided they cannot fill 7. Wouldn't they apply for say 3 days and then increase if demand was there ,not the other way around.Thats the glass half empty I suppose


Anyway hope they do come as I pointed out.

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Old 23rd Aug 2013, 14:05
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Nigel,

My apologies I missed your point.

I thought you were saying that they may not come at all and questioning the route in general. This could always be the case that it does not happen, as with any route news, but there seems to be more evidence they do want to serve MAN than not. Probably a bit like Air India at BHX. When it was very first mooted, probably many said 'believe that when I see it'. Saudia is MAN's version of that, having served here in the past too.

I agree that I doubt they could fill 7 B777's per week, but 3 weekly should suffice for any O&D as well as some connections. I would suggest the main driver of the route, especially as a B777 is being planned rather than the A320 that other smaller European markets see, is cargo.

We have a Saudia Cargo B747 visiting again on 2nd Sept, so seems the cargo market is indeed a big part of the route.

On a separate note, it is good to see growth in the cargo market again. Its no secret the cargo figures for MAN have made for some pretty dire reading, but Saudia running the odd B747 flight, LH cargo expanding again (will be 4 weekly as opposed to 3 this winter), China Airlines cargo looking to return and Cathay becoming more regular again (had cancelled many flights over the start of the year) points to an upturn at long last.
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Old 23rd Aug 2013, 17:15
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yes think 3 a week might be ok.

LH 777Fs would be nice too, will they be Aero logic or new ones in their own colours ?

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Old 23rd Aug 2013, 18:07
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The Lufthansa B77Fs will be new ordered in LH colours. Will eventually replace the MD11 fleet, so mixed feelings as it means another 3 holer service from MAN slowly diminishing.

With regards to the Saudia slots, what is also worth remembering is that the airlines themselves can get a bit excited with holding slots.
Saudia having 4 extra pairs than they require is nothing when you consider that back when Qatar were 4 weekly, they applied and held for 1 season 21 slot pairs. Delta have done similar and back before easyjet based at MAN, they held over 100 slots 1 summer! TAP were another candidate that applied for slots every season since 2004 until they finally used them.

The slots themselves therefore can mean little, but when flights make it to a GDS screen I do get a little more hopeful.
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Old 23rd Aug 2013, 18:26
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Is it just me (more than likely), but the expression "three holer", which is on common usage across on airliners.net, is always heard in my head voiced by Kenneth Williams. How about using the classic British usage, "trijet". It has less "ohhhhh Matron" about it....

As you were.

Lufthansa colours should look awesome on the Triple. Any sign of the Cathay B747-8F?

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Old 23rd Aug 2013, 18:34
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Is it just me (more than likely), but the expression "three holer", which is
on common usage across on airliners.net, is always heard in my head voiced by Kenneth Williams. How about using the classic British usage, "trijet". It has less "ohhhhh Matron" about it....
Haha. Well Im not one of those who uses sexual references to describe an airliner. Always think people need their head testing when they describe an airliner/colour scheme as 'sexy' an the likes. Its a piece of metal, rather reserve sexy for those that warrant it (Isla Fisher for example).

Any sign of the Cathay B747-8F?
Not as yet. The plan to send them to Europe seems to have gone cold again. No doubt they will appear at some point. Just like the -200's, the -400's have to be replaced at some point.
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