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Old 24th Aug 2012, 10:50
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Originally Posted by Dannyboy39 View Post
Don't understand why anything smaller than an E195 should command a landing slot at LHR, considering the severe shortage of such.
Indeed, but it's a way round the slot rules which don't stipulate a minimum slot size. Virgin themselves have used a King Air hired from an air-taxi operator in the past to come in and out as a Heathrow slot-sitter.
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Old 24th Aug 2012, 11:00
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Virgin don't rely on anyone for feed.......pax numbers interlining over LHR are very small.....(largest is DEL - EWR)....
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Old 24th Aug 2012, 11:27
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Sorry, meant domestic . .
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Old 24th Aug 2012, 12:41
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Slots are Restricted

WHBM, I agree with your assessment. However thereís one major problem. Under the Commissionís decision there are restrictions on Grandfathering rights;


1.1.3. Grandfathering rights

As a general rule, the slots obtained by a prospective entrant must be operated on the city pair(s) for which they have been requested from IAG and cannot be used on another city pair unless the prospective entrant has operated them during at least six full consecutive IATA seasons ("the Utilisation Period"). The prospective entrant would be deemed to have grandfathering rights for the slots once appropriate use of the slots has been made on the city pairs at issue, for the Utilisation Period. Once the
Utilisation Period has elapsed, the prospective entrant would be entitled to use the slots obtained on the basis of the Commitments exclusively to operate services on any route connecting London with any other part of Europe (including Aberdeen and Edinburgh), or on London-Moscow, London-Cairo and London-Riyadh. (my emphasis added)


So they can only be used to serve Europe (or the 3 nominated longhaul destinations). I canít see how they will get around this. The slots were given up to recreate competition on certain routes. I think VS are going to get caught by their own very public arguments!!
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Old 24th Aug 2012, 13:11
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An interesting point, Qconn - thank you for registering to make it. I wonder if Virgin could, however, lease them out to, and make money from, any other operator to do European flights; that appears to be an interpretation of what is said here. Am I correct that the slots they previously had leased out until this year were being used by Lufthansa ? And I wonder if that European operator could then lease out, quite independently, their quite separate existing slots to, say Virgin ?

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any other part of Europe ..... or .... Moscow .....
Hmmm, a geography lesson for the Commission, I think.
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Old 24th Aug 2012, 13:26
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Viscount worked well for Virgin as a feeder years ago!! Maybe dig one or two out of a museum and give it a go!

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Old 24th Aug 2012, 13:48
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Using an A319 from BH Air Bulgaria ("Balkan Holidays" callsign) according to dispatcher at MAN this morning. (They've got previous history having operated ex-Lagos for Virgin Nigeria when that started apparently).

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Old 24th Aug 2012, 13:53
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A318 would suit this route. Plenty heading to the UK soon
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Old 24th Aug 2012, 15:26
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A318 would suit this route. Plenty heading to the UK soon

is there ?


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Old 24th Aug 2012, 15:33
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is there ?
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I believe you've just been whoosed. There are a grand total of -1 net orders worldwide currently.
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Old 24th Aug 2012, 17:56
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well I ferried one to the UK not so long back with more to follow....
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Old 24th Aug 2012, 19:35
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Wouldn't Balkan want the aircraft for the summer though? I think I would still put my money on either Aer Lingus or Virgin America.
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Old 24th Aug 2012, 19:47
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So rare to hear A318's mentioned. I flew into Paris yesterday and saw many examples AirFrance and one from Tarom.

I would suggest if they see A318 as suitable over A319, shows already how low volume/ marginal they would expect this route to be.
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Old 24th Aug 2012, 20:09
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An E195 would be much more economical than a heavy A318 over that sort of distance! Not really any difference in seats either.
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Old 24th Aug 2012, 22:15
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according to dispatcher at MAN this morning


Well that's cleared that up then... hold on the caterers haven't spoken yet
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Old 31st Aug 2012, 17:21
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Have heard today that discussions have been had with OA re operating the route(s) from the start.
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Old 31st Aug 2012, 17:47
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I heard the rumour in the crewroom a 175 had been put on NQY LGW a few months ago especially for the virgin guys (usually a Q400 route) anyone able to confirm this happened for sure?
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Old 31st Aug 2012, 19:53
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I don't think that's true to be honest.
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Old 1st Sep 2012, 20:50
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Virgin big wigs recently seen on a Flybe ejet in Newquay. It really would make the most sense but things rarely work out that way
Probably on the way to the St Moritz....
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Old 2nd Sep 2012, 00:29
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Could virgin run from dsa ? Perhaps Aberdeen or edi ?
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