Europort Express
Scourge of Bad Airline Management!
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Unusual routes.
Jetstreams.
No sign of who the directors are.
The word Express in the name.
I'm getting a very real sense of déjà vu....
TA
Jetstreams.
No sign of who the directors are.
The word Express in the name.
I'm getting a very real sense of déjà vu....
TA
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Oh no not again another school boy project sic. When will they end as TA says Jetstreams ah! Fixed fares ah! Route network ah! need I go on. Tieing into a port scenario just forgets about ferries and the tunnel what is the market they are after. Moving ships crews? You would need to offer routes to Russia and the Phillipines for that. Moving cargo sorry from Rotterdam that would be by a container. Cant see Stenna breaking into a sweat over this. Now if it was a Lo-cost offering sunspots and capitals with a fleet of A319s or 737-700 then there is a possibility. But you would need very very deep pockets.
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@Barling Magna,
I have messaged @Expressflight about this, it's a false connection. A stupid one at that. I don't know where his information stems from, but it's completely off track.
I have messaged @Expressflight about this, it's a false connection. A stupid one at that. I don't know where his information stems from, but it's completely off track.
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Hello JSCL. Expressflight can reply for himself, but I've always found him a reliable source in the past, especially about events concerning SEN. I'd like to see Europort Express operate successfully, so time will tell......
Barling Magna
Your faith in my accuracy is not misplaced on this occasion either when I said that "there is a commercial link" between this person and Europort Express.
Quite why my post should produce such an angry rebuke from JSCL is rather mystifying.
Your faith in my accuracy is not misplaced on this occasion either when I said that "there is a commercial link" between this person and Europort Express.
Quite why my post should produce such an angry rebuke from JSCL is rather mystifying.
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On a forum called Web Hosting Talk, his username is JSCL.
GoDaddy Price Hike [Archive] - Web Hosting Talk
An odd coincidence to say the very least.
GoDaddy Price Hike [Archive] - Web Hosting Talk
An odd coincidence to say the very least.
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Of course! JSCL...Jason Scales.
So another teenage wizz with aviation ambitions...or fantasies.
I found this comment he made on the Eastern thread quite interesting -
"The Dornier is a VERY expensive craft to operate. The Jetstreams are more economical, they're workhorses too."
Hence the Jetstream as a proposed choice of aircraft for this company, I assume.
So will he be another SRB...or another **? As someone said, we've seen this before, only this one's based in Rotterdam, not Oxford...or Cambridge...or Isle of Man or wherever it was.
Young man, I hope you & whatever backers you have have the finance...I hope you're not pulling everyone's plonker. At the moment, I'm with the sceptics - especially with the current state of the economy.
Prove us wrong, I would love you to. But I don't think you will.
So another teenage wizz with aviation ambitions...or fantasies.
I found this comment he made on the Eastern thread quite interesting -
"The Dornier is a VERY expensive craft to operate. The Jetstreams are more economical, they're workhorses too."
Hence the Jetstream as a proposed choice of aircraft for this company, I assume.
So will he be another SRB...or another **? As someone said, we've seen this before, only this one's based in Rotterdam, not Oxford...or Cambridge...or Isle of Man or wherever it was.
Young man, I hope you & whatever backers you have have the finance...I hope you're not pulling everyone's plonker. At the moment, I'm with the sceptics - especially with the current state of the economy.
Prove us wrong, I would love you to. But I don't think you will.
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Yeah - just look at that juvenile Zuckerberg. When did a school boy ever know what he was doing.
I find it amusing to read the endlessly repeated recommendation of high business fares, double daily returns and a policy of hiking up the price at the last minute being essential to the viability of an airline when (a) it's hard to find an airline that's anywhere near as financially healthy as the wider retail community - except that Irish airline directed by a shopkeeper - and (b) everyone I know in business (small and large) has been receiving memos to say "Use the 'phone or video-conferencing for your foreign networking. If you have to meet up face-to-face, use a budget airline or some other mode of transport."
I find it amusing to read the endlessly repeated recommendation of high business fares, double daily returns and a policy of hiking up the price at the last minute being essential to the viability of an airline when (a) it's hard to find an airline that's anywhere near as financially healthy as the wider retail community - except that Irish airline directed by a shopkeeper - and (b) everyone I know in business (small and large) has been receiving memos to say "Use the 'phone or video-conferencing for your foreign networking. If you have to meet up face-to-face, use a budget airline or some other mode of transport."
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Use the 'phone or video-conferencing for your foreign networking. If you have to meet up face-to-face, use a budget airline or some other mode of transport
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Yeah - just look at that juvenile Zuckerberg. When did a school boy ever know what he was doing.
Europort Express is up against threats of substitutes and competition, the precedents have been set and the business model doesn't work. Maybe this time it will, but I won't be selling my firstborn child to buy shares!
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Surprisingly (not), there's not a single news item on the new airline on the website of RTM airport, nor are there any slot requests if you look into the SACN (Stichting Airport Coordination Netherlands) website (which usually is very up-to-date). Thus either SACN "has forgotten" to list the slots for Europort Express, they don't start during S12 or they don't exist at all. My guess is on the latter.
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And it will be really difficult to get slot(s) at RTM because it is so busy there?
My girlfriend and I are currently developing a business, we're building a resort on this remote island, we've got SO MANY things going on whichever way we may turn there are jobs that need doing.
Were we developing an airline do you really believe one of our top priorities would be to apply for slots for services that aren't even happening for a further four months and the schedules of which haven't even been decided/finalised?
It's kind of like suggesting that they won't have any crews because no crew hotel accommodation has been booked yet!
My girlfriend and I are currently developing a business, we're building a resort on this remote island, we've got SO MANY things going on whichever way we may turn there are jobs that need doing.
Were we developing an airline do you really believe one of our top priorities would be to apply for slots for services that aren't even happening for a further four months and the schedules of which haven't even been decided/finalised?
It's kind of like suggesting that they won't have any crews because no crew hotel accommodation has been booked yet!
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PF slots and schedules are a key part of an airline business. If you are planning an airline then one of the key aspects of the plan will be a schedule and slots are an intrinsig part of the process. It does not matter that X or Y airport are not busy what matters is the time you need the slot for. To produce your schedule you need the slots and these are applied for for the season. As we know currently we are in the midst of the W12 slot allocation.
You need to look at what a key part of the business the schedule realy is. From the schedule you would set up your reservation system. This would give you the amount of seats avaliable so you can then get into the realms of ASK's RPK's etc. You can also start your engineering planning and crew planning all vital parts of the business plan and all required by your relevant aviation authority. I am sure Cyrano and Twin Ailse will also tell you how important slots are.
You need to look at what a key part of the business the schedule realy is. From the schedule you would set up your reservation system. This would give you the amount of seats avaliable so you can then get into the realms of ASK's RPK's etc. You can also start your engineering planning and crew planning all vital parts of the business plan and all required by your relevant aviation authority. I am sure Cyrano and Twin Ailse will also tell you how important slots are.
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And it will be really difficult to get slot(s) at RTM because it is so busy there?
My girlfriend and I are currently developing a business, we're building a resort on this remote island, we've got SO MANY things going on whichever way we may turn there are jobs that need doing.
Were we developing an airline do you really believe one of our top priorities would be to apply for slots for services that aren't even happening for a further four months and the schedules of which haven't even been decided/finalised?
It's kind of like suggesting that they won't have any crews because no crew hotel accommodation has been booked yet!
My girlfriend and I are currently developing a business, we're building a resort on this remote island, we've got SO MANY things going on whichever way we may turn there are jobs that need doing.
Were we developing an airline do you really believe one of our top priorities would be to apply for slots for services that aren't even happening for a further four months and the schedules of which haven't even been decided/finalised?
It's kind of like suggesting that they won't have any crews because no crew hotel accommodation has been booked yet!
1. RTM is slot constrained, not because it's full, but because of fairly draconian environmental restrictions which limit movements to a fraction of the airport's theoretical capacity. Above all a carrier planning to base itself in RTM would need to be very sure that it could get all the slots it needed.
2. Xtypeman is quite right: the W12 slot allocation process is currently underway (slot calendar PDF). Any carrier wanting to operate to RTM in the winter season will have needed to file their slot requests already. SACN will provide initial allocations of W12 slots by the end of May.
Based on the SACN S12 slot information, as lgtjanssen says, there is no slot-based evidence that Europort Express is really preparing to start before the winter season.
Now it's always possible that they have had informal discussions with the airport and the coordinator to establish what is available in summer and are entirely confident of getting what they want, but based on the opinions I heard at Routes Europe this week from at least one of the other airports they are proposing to serve
let's just say that I would not be holding my breath...
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