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Gul, I'm not saying you should delay your traffic, but if they get any lower when they're passing North Down you'll disturb your Uncle Jeffrey. And if you're talking about standard procedures, then why is it that you don't all seem to be singing off the same hymn sheet!
DD didn't you know about our palm trees and mango plantation then?
PS Gul, 22 failed the oral board for the North Down Mafia!
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[ 22 December 2001: Message edited by: Standard Noise ]</p>
DD didn't you know about our palm trees and mango plantation then?
PS Gul, 22 failed the oral board for the North Down Mafia!
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[ 22 December 2001: Message edited by: Standard Noise ]</p>
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Guys girls guys,
Sorry I wasnt there on Thurs but I had to try and sucure a new contract to supply the morgage,hope you all had a good night!!!!!
Sorry FC but I didnt have any control on this one!!!!!!!
Sorry I wasnt there on Thurs but I had to try and sucure a new contract to supply the morgage,hope you all had a good night!!!!!
Sorry FC but I didnt have any control on this one!!!!!!!
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Dud,KIL
A good night was had by all, from what I can remember. Lots of toffee vodka, I don't think anything too scandalous happened apart from the usual.
Numerous controllers from both airports were there and not a single punch was thrown, mind you, you'd never guess!
SN, I don't really think using names on this is a good idea. I think you may have placed yourself firmly at the top of the hitlist, makes a change from me though 
A good night was had by all, from what I can remember. Lots of toffee vodka, I don't think anything too scandalous happened apart from the usual.
Numerous controllers from both airports were there and not a single punch was thrown, mind you, you'd never guess!
SN, I don't really think using names on this is a good idea. I think you may have placed yourself firmly at the top of the hitlist, makes a change from me though
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Since it's the season of goodwill to all men (and women of course.), join me in a little seasonal song, The 12 Days of Christmas. You might even recognise the tune :-
On the first day of Christmas Muckamore gave me, a piper cub at Ballinderry,
On the second day of Christmas Muckamore gave me,
2 minibuses and a piper cub at Ballinderry,
On the third day of Christmas Muckamore gave me,
3 mis-idents, 2 minibuses and a piper cub.....
On the fourth day of Christmas Muckamore gave me,
4 VFR Pumas, 3 mis-idents, 2 minibuses......
On the fifth day of Christmas Muckamore gave me,
5 DUFFY 3's, 4 VFR Pumas, 3 mis-idents......
On the sixth day of Christmas Muckamore gave me,
6 Jersey Dashes, 5 DUFFY 3's, 4 VFR Pumas......
On the seventh day of Christmas Muckamore gave me,
7 dodgy estimates, 6 Jersey Dashes, 5 DUFFY 3's
On the eighth day of Christmas Muckamore gave me,
8 hours of grief, 7 dodgy estimates .......
On the ninth day of Christmas Muckamore gave me,
9 radar releases, 8 hours of grief......
On the tenth day of Christmas Muckamore gave me,
10 microlights, 9 radar releases, 8 hours of grief
On the eleventh day of Christmas Muckamore gave me
11 direct the island (hang on, hang on, that can't be right!), 10 microlights......
And on the twelfth day of Christmas Muckamore gave me (altogether now)
a 12 minute delay, 11 direct the island, 10 microlights, 9 radar releases, 8 hours of grief,
7 dodgy estimates, 6 Jersey Dashes, 5 DUFFY 3's,
4 VFR Pumas, 3 mis-idents, 2 minibuses
and a piper cub at Ballinderry.
I honestly don't know how we find the time to do this sort of thing, seeing as we're so busy these days. Ho hum!
Sleeping's permitted, dribbling isn't!
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[ 22 December 2001: Message edited by: Standard Noise ]</p>
On the first day of Christmas Muckamore gave me, a piper cub at Ballinderry,
On the second day of Christmas Muckamore gave me,
2 minibuses and a piper cub at Ballinderry,
On the third day of Christmas Muckamore gave me,
3 mis-idents, 2 minibuses and a piper cub.....
On the fourth day of Christmas Muckamore gave me,
4 VFR Pumas, 3 mis-idents, 2 minibuses......
On the fifth day of Christmas Muckamore gave me,
5 DUFFY 3's, 4 VFR Pumas, 3 mis-idents......
On the sixth day of Christmas Muckamore gave me,
6 Jersey Dashes, 5 DUFFY 3's, 4 VFR Pumas......
On the seventh day of Christmas Muckamore gave me,
7 dodgy estimates, 6 Jersey Dashes, 5 DUFFY 3's
On the eighth day of Christmas Muckamore gave me,
8 hours of grief, 7 dodgy estimates .......
On the ninth day of Christmas Muckamore gave me,
9 radar releases, 8 hours of grief......
On the tenth day of Christmas Muckamore gave me,
10 microlights, 9 radar releases, 8 hours of grief
On the eleventh day of Christmas Muckamore gave me
11 direct the island (hang on, hang on, that can't be right!), 10 microlights......
And on the twelfth day of Christmas Muckamore gave me (altogether now)
a 12 minute delay, 11 direct the island, 10 microlights, 9 radar releases, 8 hours of grief,
7 dodgy estimates, 6 Jersey Dashes, 5 DUFFY 3's,
4 VFR Pumas, 3 mis-idents, 2 minibuses
and a piper cub at Ballinderry.
I honestly don't know how we find the time to do this sort of thing, seeing as we're so busy these days. Ho hum!
Sleeping's permitted, dribbling isn't!
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[ 22 December 2001: Message edited by: Standard Noise ]</p>
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Yeah, but I bet not too many people could add that to their CV. Anyway, you know who, was sitting behind me for most of my six weeks at Muckamore, so it's no wonder I was a bit nervous.
Still, he's not all bad, like you CF, he's one of the many who will give us a clearance subject to traffic, not "cos it says we should do it exactly like this in the big book."
Anyway, Merry Christmas one and all.
And remember, sleeping's permitted, dribbling isn't, no matter how much sherry granny gives you! <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
Still, he's not all bad, like you CF, he's one of the many who will give us a clearance subject to traffic, not "cos it says we should do it exactly like this in the big book."
Anyway, Merry Christmas one and all.
And remember, sleeping's permitted, dribbling isn't, no matter how much sherry granny gives you! <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
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Bik ..no.As for those "stupid level offs at 3000 feet".May I point you in the direction of the bfs calling scottish thread in ATC matters?.The whole TMA is about to be revamped as far as procedures are concerned.This is primarily for the benefit of Scottish and despite the BFS controllers finding difficulties with the system it WILL be implemented.You may look forward to a completely different regime and whilst we will do our best restictive climb and descent clearances may well become the norm .All complaints are to addressed to the watch manager in Scottish.As for delegating airspace to the docks that will not happen under these proposals .
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[ 07 January 2002: Message edited by: gul dukat ]</p>
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Gul - you are certainly full of surprises, so with the new procedures you will do your best but restrictive clearances may become the norm. What then is Duffy 3A to a jet in an empty TMA under the present circumstances?? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
You never did get around to explaining that from earlier - do you have a genuine operational reason for restricting City traffic or are you on a petty one man anti-city crusade for reasons best known to yourself <img src="frown.gif" border="0">
You never did get around to explaining that from earlier - do you have a genuine operational reason for restricting City traffic or are you on a petty one man anti-city crusade for reasons best known to yourself <img src="frown.gif" border="0">
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Ho! Ho! Gul, you seem to have a great sense of humour, and the obvious ability to be a politician with the way you deftly avoided Bik's question.
It's also nice to see that someone other than BHD Atco's have found you out with the fabulous "Duffy 3's", so come on all you Smartie tube drivers, how do you feel knowing Muckamore gave out Duffy 3 when they could so easily (on many an occasion) issue a more expeditious clearance?
And why is it then Gul, that you are unable to climb outbound city traffic until after the ident(and inevitable level off), rather than give the a/c a procedural climb to an intermediate level while sorting out the ident?
22 - do you think we will see Gul parading up the bypass with his placards soon then, "kill the city" etc,etc. Or maybe he bought some lovely TBI shares several years ago thinking he was on a winner, ha, ha!
PS Gul, I forgot that Muckamore doesn't suffer fog, and I hear that Puff the magic dragon is the new Airport Director up there too!
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[ 12 January 2002: Message edited by: Standard Noise ]</p>
It's also nice to see that someone other than BHD Atco's have found you out with the fabulous "Duffy 3's", so come on all you Smartie tube drivers, how do you feel knowing Muckamore gave out Duffy 3 when they could so easily (on many an occasion) issue a more expeditious clearance?
And why is it then Gul, that you are unable to climb outbound city traffic until after the ident(and inevitable level off), rather than give the a/c a procedural climb to an intermediate level while sorting out the ident?
22 - do you think we will see Gul parading up the bypass with his placards soon then, "kill the city" etc,etc. Or maybe he bought some lovely TBI shares several years ago thinking he was on a winner, ha, ha!
PS Gul, I forgot that Muckamore doesn't suffer fog, and I hear that Puff the magic dragon is the new Airport Director up there too!
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[ 12 January 2002: Message edited by: Standard Noise ]</p>
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Bik, well said that man! But are the "significant number" voicing their opinions to the BHD management, via their own company management.
The BHD management were told over 2 years ago that SSR would be a great help, and we were informed that this would be looked into. However, when faced with a decision whether to keep the pvt healthcare scheme and year end bonuses, or pay for SSR to help cope with a busier environment (and give the Atco's an easier life of course!), we all know where the votes lie, don't we?
Still, Bombardier could always turn the tables and offer TBI tuppence h'apenny for their gravel pit at Muckamore.
PS The BHD management read this, let's hope they take note!!!!!!
Sleeping's permitted, dribbling isn't!
[ 12 January 2002: Message edited by: Standard Noise ]</p>
The BHD management were told over 2 years ago that SSR would be a great help, and we were informed that this would be looked into. However, when faced with a decision whether to keep the pvt healthcare scheme and year end bonuses, or pay for SSR to help cope with a busier environment (and give the Atco's an easier life of course!), we all know where the votes lie, don't we?
Still, Bombardier could always turn the tables and offer TBI tuppence h'apenny for their gravel pit at Muckamore.
PS The BHD management read this, let's hope they take note!!!!!!
Sleeping's permitted, dribbling isn't!
[ 12 January 2002: Message edited by: Standard Noise ]</p>
