DAT ---> Brussels-Airlines
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DAT ---> Brussels-Airlines
SN Brussels-Airlines is the new name of the former Delta Air Transport from Belgium. Website is up and running <a href="http://www.brussels-airlines.com/home.htm" target="_blank"> see it here </a> .. .Only European destinations mentioned so far.
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They maybe SN Brussels Airlines, but they're using the DAT website for bookings.
<a href="http://www.dat-airlines.com" target="_blank">www.dat-airlines.com</a>
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<a href="http://www.dat-airlines.com" target="_blank">www.dat-airlines.com</a>
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Hey mister "merlotty", do you know that on 1200 airline pilots in Belgium 800 are jobless and +/- 240 are A330 qualified on this juicy french speaking african sector. Do you remember SABENA ? Anyway, we, as Belgians, don't decide anymore. And unfair competition is on (thanks to EC). But you are not responsible neither about the situation. But you may be sure that if BMI operates the SN ... and so on... flights to Africa there will be some welcome "commitees". Try to think about reversing the situation. Anyway good luck.
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gee kanik that sounds like a threat <img src="confused.gif" border="0"> grow up and then join the rest of us in the now and present reality..swim or sink...no moree government sugar-daddies
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Well, guys, "governement sugardaddies" still do exist in Belgium, I could tell you a lot about it, being a non sabena pilot like I am! Anyway, "SN brussels airlines", such a bull !!!!ty name only not to send machines back to the paint shop to take to logo out, sounds quite conservative, huh? The problemn is that the bad old Sabena habits might remain as well. If only VEX could remain out of that...
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Dear ironbut57 , an independant consultant analyse SN before bankruptcy and found out that without the purchase of the 34 A32F for the MH fleet, the cy would have made profit those last 5 years without govt candies. At SN we as cockpit members we knew how to swim. Management didn't.
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Hey mister 2low2fast. Open your eyes. Or mayde are you too young. Vex is "in" since 5 years whenh the SN production arrive as a OČ balloon(FCO, LHR, BCN). Thanks to the SN pilots forced (with the knife on the throat) to accept it. Alas, the real businessmen were on your side and the contracts were so juicy for you that the candy in VEX was coming from SN. And now it's coming from DAT- or whatevertheycallit. Don't think that you were in the cy that has "the" solution. Anyway as pilot, do we have controls of the ship ? These are just bartalks.
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Kanik,
The problem with Belgium Aircrew is and always has been that they are the worst civilservants I have ever come across. Rather than have 'welcome' commitees they should be thinking about any other group of pilots stupid enough to start a strike in a recession when their airline is almost bankrupt because they(!!!!!) did not agree with the business plan. A bit the same as when a manager from accounting calling a captain and giving him instructions on how to fly. The only consequence of the most stupid industrial action in aviation history is that they sent the last few higher yielding passengers to all the other airlines around. Sabena desirved to go bust.
Now there are people willing to invest in a new airline, those people are heroes in the current market conditions. They have the full right to hire another airline it's aircraft it is their money. They have on the other hand no obligation what so ever to hire the most industrial action prone staff in the world. People like you will strike in the first week of joining about the logo, the second about the union representation, third week about whether you should speak Vlaams or Waals, etc.
Get a life, get some work and learn to work for a living like the rest of us.
The problem with Belgium Aircrew is and always has been that they are the worst civilservants I have ever come across. Rather than have 'welcome' commitees they should be thinking about any other group of pilots stupid enough to start a strike in a recession when their airline is almost bankrupt because they(!!!!!) did not agree with the business plan. A bit the same as when a manager from accounting calling a captain and giving him instructions on how to fly. The only consequence of the most stupid industrial action in aviation history is that they sent the last few higher yielding passengers to all the other airlines around. Sabena desirved to go bust.
Now there are people willing to invest in a new airline, those people are heroes in the current market conditions. They have the full right to hire another airline it's aircraft it is their money. They have on the other hand no obligation what so ever to hire the most industrial action prone staff in the world. People like you will strike in the first week of joining about the logo, the second about the union representation, third week about whether you should speak Vlaams or Waals, etc.
Get a life, get some work and learn to work for a living like the rest of us.
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Well Kanik, why did it take Sabena something like 50 years to make one single profitable one? You say that you just found the solution to make money and then you were going bankrupt! Too bad!. .Dutchie must be right...look why the german stopped the process of buying Sobelair! they did not receive any garantee about a social peace for the comming month!!!. .Welcome to the real world!! <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
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The reason why Preussag pulled out of the Sobelair buying process, is because they want to do the same thing with Sobelair as Thomas Cook did with City Bird. Let it go bankrupt, start all over again, and pay the employees a ridiculous salary. . .Do you really think they pulled out because they were 'afraid' of social actions? By the way, the strikes have always been justified. They were all about saving jobs (not for a salary increase like at LH, nor about Vlaams or Waals) and saving the company. Everybody saw the ship was sinking, then why not try by all possible means to try and pull it ashore. Unless you're a coward and you let it all happen.
One thing is for sure, there is no more solidarity amongst pilots. Everybody should have backed the Sabena-Sobelair guys up instead of blaming them and giving them the finger. Don't forget that VEX and DAT pilots owe a lot to them. If you guys are upset because Kanik is talking about a 'welcome committee' for BMI if they start flying for DAT (Sn Bruss.....), then YOU should get a life. Just imagine this happening in France, England, Germany, Holland, or wherever.
Dutchie, if you don't know what you're talking about, don't, cause you're cheap and pathetic.
One thing is for sure, there is no more solidarity amongst pilots. Everybody should have backed the Sabena-Sobelair guys up instead of blaming them and giving them the finger. Don't forget that VEX and DAT pilots owe a lot to them. If you guys are upset because Kanik is talking about a 'welcome committee' for BMI if they start flying for DAT (Sn Bruss.....), then YOU should get a life. Just imagine this happening in France, England, Germany, Holland, or wherever.
Dutchie, if you don't know what you're talking about, don't, cause you're cheap and pathetic.
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RAFC,
now you're talking about solidarity? But what was the reaction of the SN pilots when City Bird started to fly long range with the MD? You just didn't care about the City Bird pilots! You just wanted to get their seats regardless of what could happen to them! And the VEX pilots were just "White Products" to your "Eagle Eyes"! But do you remeber? It's not so far away.
It's a pitty that Sabena disapeared, this is a huge loss of experience and a economic problem for many families. But stop dreaming about solidarity, it even disapeared among you guys looking for jobs abroad!
now you're talking about solidarity? But what was the reaction of the SN pilots when City Bird started to fly long range with the MD? You just didn't care about the City Bird pilots! You just wanted to get their seats regardless of what could happen to them! And the VEX pilots were just "White Products" to your "Eagle Eyes"! But do you remeber? It's not so far away.
It's a pitty that Sabena disapeared, this is a huge loss of experience and a economic problem for many families. But stop dreaming about solidarity, it even disapeared among you guys looking for jobs abroad!
