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22 thank you .I am quite well informed although I am merely a punter .I think you will find that my observations are shared by more than a few BE pilots .(please read into that what you will!). .As to the break even point I think that if you are regularly transporting loads in the 100's that point arrives fairly quickly for a 737 .Never mind if BRAL do roll over you will have a little more space for the rest of the "punters" . .rgds . .Crotalus
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Crotalus, you are obviously privy to some info that I am certainly not. To the best of my knowledge the majority of pilots are happy with the ATC service they receive, however I am not sure on their opinions on other aspects of handling - I hope they are making their views known to enable any wrongs to be put right, preferably sooner rather than later <img src="confused.gif" border="0"> . .Incidentally I wonder what the average time fom start-up to rolling is at other airfields, I would certainly like to think we have a fairly competitive edge on that <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
Hi Guys, Yep have to say Im very happy with the atc service ive recieved in both airfields, having operated paxs flts into bhd, i found only the grnd handling abit slow, but didnt really mind as it let me have 2 smokes instead of one! 
Only go into aldergrove now with freight so we not worried bout service or the lack of it.
Anyway im getting away from the original topic myself <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">
Only go into aldergrove now with freight so we not worried bout service or the lack of it.
Anyway im getting away from the original topic myself <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">
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Nothing wrong with ATC apart from them long winded airways instructions. That I can cope with. What I do find frustrating is the managements desire to make BMI happy and shaft British European in the process. I hope B.E. transfers to Aldergrove and makes a success of it. Remember B.E. has the UK's 10th richest family behind it.
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First of all, Hogg - thanks, it's nice to know not all the pilots are against us.. .Hudson thanks,I think!? But the "long winded clearances" you mention are a product of SRG paranoia, they seem to think that because we are non-state, we are unable to use small conise clearances without having level busts, I don't know, personally I can't follow their logic.. .I suggested "standard clearances" like the ones I used to use at Coventry, but there doesn't appear to be any will to change things here!. .Crotalus, as regards the early morning traffic, we have 10 deps in 35 mins with different dep times. Bmi only constitutes one of these and more often than not, it is delayed by late pax or slots, not the loaders. If anything, we can pushback more a/c due to the new apron layout. Delays after pushback ie while queuing for departure, are no different to those experienced at other airports at peak periods. Since Sept 2001 and the unfortunate demise of Gillair, be have added one extra route, to NCL. Therefore, using your logic, creating their own delays by congesting the apron themselves! mmm there's a thought!. .Airlines could always bring in their own handling agent rather than using BCA staff. Would it help, who knows? Not being knowledgeable about ground operations at Muckamore, I can only assume that BE would have to employ Servisair or Reeds, so why not do it now and save the hassle of moving up there? . .Bmi have come to the city and found they are saving considerable amounts of cash, they have also increased their pax numbers so I am told.. .This being the case, what makes you think that BE could move the other way and do the same thing? It would also put the BE LGW route in direct competition with the proposed Easy BFS-LGW route. Methinks BE would suffer badly on both that and the BRS route in the event of such a move.. .BRAL loads on GLA/EDI have picked up again, I believe and the ATPs are running more than half full on most flights from what I understand. The running costs on the ATP will be lower than the 737 so you might find that BRAL are making more profit per pax than Go. . .You mentioned previously that you fly with Bmi from City, but if it is so bad, why do you not use their BFS-LHR service while it still exists? Could it be that while it may take a few extra minutes to get your bags, ultimately it is a more convenient airport for you to use? Thus the reason why Bmi/Bral/BE operate from it, and why Easy & Go both approached the City, eager to operate from here before they were sent packing to Muckamore.
Oh what it is to be popular, convenient, easy to use, oh yes, and not surrounded by sheep!
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Noisy,
as there is no longer a shuttle from LHR to BFS, a reduction of, what, 6-8 flights per day, maybe, and bmi are the only NI- LHR carrier now, are bmi carrying more pax due to relocation or because they are the only choice to LHR? Don't know, I'm only an outsider looking in.
Aviaraptor,
there does appear to be a bit of arhy-bargy between BFS & BHD as you say. Your posts seem well reasoned without going into the actual subject matter of the post. As an (apparent) fellow outsider, what are you're views on the likelihood of BE moving their operation to BFS?
as there is no longer a shuttle from LHR to BFS, a reduction of, what, 6-8 flights per day, maybe, and bmi are the only NI- LHR carrier now, are bmi carrying more pax due to relocation or because they are the only choice to LHR? Don't know, I'm only an outsider looking in.
Aviaraptor,
there does appear to be a bit of arhy-bargy between BFS & BHD as you say. Your posts seem well reasoned without going into the actual subject matter of the post. As an (apparent) fellow outsider, what are you're views on the likelihood of BE moving their operation to BFS?
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Hello SN .Thank you once again for your insight.I agree that the city is convenient.I regret that the occasions on which I flew to it I suffered poor handling on the ground.That is the fact of it.As to atps and 737 break even point lets leave that to the accountants?.You say that you are an atco at city?I suggest then that you are scarcely qualified when it comes to matters regarding the advisability or otherwise of airlines moving to or from the airport at which you work. The principals in this matter do not include you.You seem to imply that BE could not suffer a head to head with Easy or Go!I wonder why?Surely competition is healthy and it would benefit the travelling public.Do you not think that BE could cut it? I hope not!.Ah well I must await your reply(if I ever have a query which you might be able to assist on I will post it until then I am afraid that the real clout here is with the balance sheet and the bottom line). .rgds Crotalus
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Crotalus,. .I have never proclaimed myself an expert in these matters, so your inference that I claim to be is somewhat misguided. These threads are opened for discussion to take place and opinions to be voiced. As for my opinion in this matter, then no, I don't think BE could survive in it's present form (ie a moderately successful regional airline in the brave new world of well marketed, rapidly growing low costs), if it were to move to Muckamore. That is my opinion and I may be either right or wrong, who knows, we will see in the coming months.. .BTW you still haven't said why you use the City to fly to LHR if you hate it quite so much?
Bard or Bill or whatever, I was referring to the fact that Bmi are apparently carrying more punters from City than they did at Muckamore, despite the fact that they also run services from BFS-LHR. If BFS-LHR is so popular with the punters, then why are these flights not full also. From what I understand from someone on the inside, quite a few of the BFS-LHR services are not troubled with SLF. Maybe you could share some of your insight with us, I know Crotalus would be most pleased.
Oh what it is still to be popular, oh yes, and not a muck spreader in sight! ho hum
Bard or Bill or whatever, I was referring to the fact that Bmi are apparently carrying more punters from City than they did at Muckamore, despite the fact that they also run services from BFS-LHR. If BFS-LHR is so popular with the punters, then why are these flights not full also. From what I understand from someone on the inside, quite a few of the BFS-LHR services are not troubled with SLF. Maybe you could share some of your insight with us, I know Crotalus would be most pleased.
Oh what it is still to be popular, oh yes, and not a muck spreader in sight! ho hum
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Well BFS-LHR must carry enough punters to warrant the extra services that BMI are about to announce.
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ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz!!!!!
Must admit Standard, your posts are getting more boring, can you think of nothing better than slagging off NATS ATCO's and bfs in general?. . <img src="tongue.gif" border="0"> <img src="tongue.gif" border="0"> <img src="tongue.gif" border="0"> <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">
Must admit Standard, your posts are getting more boring, can you think of nothing better than slagging off NATS ATCO's and bfs in general?. . <img src="tongue.gif" border="0"> <img src="tongue.gif" border="0"> <img src="tongue.gif" border="0"> <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">
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CF - nope, it keeps me amused and serves to annoy the TBI, sorry NATS atco's at Easyjet Intl.. .As I seem to remember however, you and your colleagues enjoy a bit of City-bashing yourselves. Sauce for the goose etc etc
Bard, don't take it personally, but if you insist on asking questions, you've got to expect answers. If the answers aint to your liking, ask better questions.
Oh to be surrounded by all that peace and quiet!!. .Ho hum!
Bard, don't take it personally, but if you insist on asking questions, you've got to expect answers. If the answers aint to your liking, ask better questions.
Oh to be surrounded by all that peace and quiet!!. .Ho hum!
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Promises, promises! <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
Oh dear Dik, you really haven't got the hang of it yet, have you dear boy. Rumour has it that the Welsh pie sellers are ready to announce a loss this year and the addition of a couple of easyjet runs will do little to pull it from the poo.
As for the original subject, Uncle Albert must be desperate if he's offering BE the deal I heard about. Planning to sell a lot of pies is he...
. .Sleeping's permitted, dribbling isn't!
Oh dear Dik, you really haven't got the hang of it yet, have you dear boy. Rumour has it that the Welsh pie sellers are ready to announce a loss this year and the addition of a couple of easyjet runs will do little to pull it from the poo.
As for the original subject, Uncle Albert must be desperate if he's offering BE the deal I heard about. Planning to sell a lot of pies is he...
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TBI posting a loss eh? That'll put them in the same club as the rest of the industry or hadn't you noticed, SN? The occupants of the sinking ramp down at the wee airport are not exactly having a prosperous time either are they? How dare they not make money when operating from god's own chosen wee airport!!. .I hope the weather on your planet is significantly better than it is for the rest of us.
Lads!!!!, Having operated into both airports as a Pilot with both passengers and freight, i cant understand the slagging <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
Im going to close this topic coz i think too many posts are totally irrelevant.
Im going to close this topic coz i think too many posts are totally irrelevant.
