British PM flies the (Angolan) flag!
The only justification I can possibly think of is that 10 Downing Street enquired about the charter of BA, but also let them know that the PM, while over there, was going to make a speech re-emphasising that notwithstanding all the recent statements about the multiple impacts on the UK economy the lack of capacity that Heathrow has, he was going to restate no third runway - taking advantage of being 6,000 miles away.
Furthermore he was going to go to Indonesia and the Airbus order signing, and announce that he was going to support Garuda getting slots to operate into London, but was going to say nothing about BA maybe starting to serve Indonesia in return.
And BA then told them to get stuffed .......
Furthermore he was going to go to Indonesia and the Airbus order signing, and announce that he was going to support Garuda getting slots to operate into London, but was going to say nothing about BA maybe starting to serve Indonesia in return.
And BA then told them to get stuffed .......
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WHBM - do BA WANT to serve Indonesia?
they used to years ago but pulled out
these days they pretty much only serve Sydney & Melbourne in that neck of the woods
they'd rather add flights to JFK
they used to years ago but pulled out
these days they pretty much only serve Sydney & Melbourne in that neck of the woods
they'd rather add flights to JFK
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Denti - because the press got themselves so excite when Tony Blair wanted his own jet and they labelled it Blair Force One, and now nobody in Govt dares raise the subject again, particularly with all this recession "we're all in it together" malarkey
Who cares what the press writes, I am sure politicians have thick enough skins to ride that.
As for the cost - How much does it cost for the PM and his entourage to hire a plane for a week, several times in his term.
Naming the plane would be more difficult, as the Queen is head of state.
I am sure a suitable name could be found..
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I believe the two Sonair planes are owned by Sonair.
They are operated by Atlas Air, with both cockpit and cabin crew made up of Atlas personnel. Atlas is based in New York.
They fly freight (dedicated freighters) and passengers (dedicated passenger planes). They operate 747-400s, LCFs, 767-300ERs, 767-200Fs and, this month, are scheduled to take delivery of their first 747-8F.
They fly for DHL, Panalpina, Emirates, Qantas, Etihad, the US Military, themselves, and various other customers. They will start hiring pilots (cabin crew are being hired currently) again this year...you need to be a US citizen or have a green card to get hired.
They also own 49% of GSS, and they own the GSS airframes, and they lease airframes to other customers.
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They are operated by Atlas Air, with both cockpit and cabin crew made up of Atlas personnel. Atlas is based in New York.
They fly freight (dedicated freighters) and passengers (dedicated passenger planes). They operate 747-400s, LCFs, 767-300ERs, 767-200Fs and, this month, are scheduled to take delivery of their first 747-8F.
They fly for DHL, Panalpina, Emirates, Qantas, Etihad, the US Military, themselves, and various other customers. They will start hiring pilots (cabin crew are being hired currently) again this year...you need to be a US citizen or have a green card to get hired.
They also own 49% of GSS, and they own the GSS airframes, and they lease airframes to other customers.
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It would stop threads like this if the UK PM was transported like the US president.
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A couple of A320s / A319s is all that's needed. This is what works for many democracies across the world, a B747 is too much really.
To small for this job IMO..If you think a 747 is over egging the pudding - maybe a home grown A330 may fit the bill.
Whatever a/c is used - The UK PM needs an identifiable plane, rather than whatever charter he can catch.
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Well I reckon with an A320, a lot of configuring would have to be done...I have flown these aircraft with both Monarch and Easy, and they are the most uncomfortable planes ever.
Something between the madness of Algeria's A340-500 and the cringe worthiness of Atlas Air, a well known cargo outfit, flying our leader around the world.
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"OUR LEADER"???????????
last I heard he was MP for Witney who just happens to "be able to command a majority in the House of Commons"
The days when the ignorant were impressed by Big White Chief arriving in a BIG aeroplane have longgggg gone
last I heard he was MP for Witney who just happens to "be able to command a majority in the House of Commons"
The days when the ignorant were impressed by Big White Chief arriving in a BIG aeroplane have longgggg gone
It's a bit like saying a Citroen (say) is an unsafe car because you mother-in-law has one and drove it into the garage doors ......
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Originally Posted by WHBM
I think there will be a number here wondering how you came to this conclusion about this airframe type.
It's a bit like saying a Citroen (say) is an unsafe car because you mother-in-law has one and drove it into the garage doors ......
It's a bit like saying a Citroen (say) is an unsafe car because you mother-in-law has one and drove it into the garage doors ......
The fast that I find them uncomfortable is purely coincidental..But they are.
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I meant a VIP configured aircraft with an office and suite for the PM and the Queen as required. Ideally flown by the RAF who already are bringing the A330 into service.
Heathrow Harry.
Like Cameron or maybe Boris in the future, or not! we can't have a UK leader turning ip at JFk or wherever in an old 757.
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My suggestion is one of the several A345 in corporate configs out there. But alas, I'm not certain the electorate would be too happy about such a purchase, as nice as it might be.
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It has to be a 747 or an rather and A330
The Japanses have two B747s a bit like the US. Even New Zealand have the B757 and they don't even have fighters any more.
An immaculate RAF A320 would be the right signal for Britain as much of it is British made and we're not showing like some tinpot with their own fleet of A340s and B744s.
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An immaculate RAF A320 would be the right signal for Britain as much of it is British made and we're not showing like some tinpot with their own fleet of A340s and B744s.
I think we all agree that out PM deserves better than a chartered Angolan aircraft..
BTW - The A320 is fine for up to. and flying over the pond, but what about further afield?.
I mean would it be BA or Virgin, or an aircraft chartered from?????
So tell me something. Who pays for the media and all the entourage to travel with the PM on these longhaul flights? Is it really necessary to have a widebody to transport him around? Whats wrong with a 'G' registered Gulfstream V? Perhaps it's to show him off walking down all those steps at the destination.
If airmiles andy can freeload at the taxpayers expense in a CRJ around India, then surely our PM can use a smaller aircraft in these austere times.
If airmiles andy can freeload at the taxpayers expense in a CRJ around India, then surely our PM can use a smaller aircraft in these austere times.
