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How about this...
Beardy contracts another carrier to operate some 100+ seater on a trial basis to feed his operation, if it works out he keeps it going, maybe buys his own equipment, if not he has grandfather rights to use the slots for something else...
It's not clear in he EU press release - do these slots have to be paid for or are they free to anyone wanting to operate the routes? The full judgement doesn't seem to be on the site yet.
Beardy contracts another carrier to operate some 100+ seater on a trial basis to feed his operation, if it works out he keeps it going, maybe buys his own equipment, if not he has grandfather rights to use the slots for something else...
It's not clear in he EU press release - do these slots have to be paid for or are they free to anyone wanting to operate the routes? The full judgement doesn't seem to be on the site yet.
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How about a 145 into Northolt? Its only a short bus ride then to LHR. And you could turn the aircraft round in 20 mins.
No..... I'll get my coat.
No..... I'll get my coat.
But we don't live in France. Or Japan, Germany, the UAE, China, etc etc etc.
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I doubt Branson can afford to maintain a domestic/short haul operation out of LHR - it'll be just too difficult to get a foot in the door now and build O&D traffic against long-term incumbent BA, and online connections alone will not maketh a viable market. I can't see there being [m]any takers for the domestic routes - who would take on MAN-LHR when most of that market has now moved to rail? And whilst it will no doubt stick in Virgin's throat initially, haven't they got their domestic feed fixed anyway? VS codeshare on BA domestics anyone??
Whilst VS placing their domestic connections with BA might seem strange at first sight, lets not forget that when BD operated MME-LHR and LBA-LHR it carried BA's domestic traffic on those routes to feed into BA's long haul operations - at one time, wasn't BA BD's biggest source of interline traffic as well as being their biggest competitors? I think that if VS can open their minds a bit, it's possible that they could have their domestic feeds without the commercial and financial risk of actually running their own flights. Block seat allocation and VS controlling their inventory on BA domestics - stranger things have happened! And if BA were to play funny/difficult with VS over the short haul passengers condition, I bet Virgin would go running to the EU so so very quickly...
If the EU had wanted to make sure the acquisition was in the travelling public's best interests (personally I think the acquisition is in the best interests of the travelling public anyway), it could have issued mandates about BA maintaining combined frequencies and capping fare rises on the domestic segments, and not about releasing slots with conditions attached to them that mean that that no one is really going to want to take them on.
Emotionally as a past employee I'd have preferred bmi to have continued as a viable going concern, but clearly that wasn't going to happen. So I'm really glad it's ended this way - many bmi employees [mainline at least] will now find a new life and income with BA, competition that was arguably in some ways counter-productive for both BA and bmi in these difficult times has been removed from the market, and some limited route growth potential has been opened up at LHR for a UK airline.
Andy
IAG committed to entering into special agreements with competing airlines which operate long haul flights out of London Heathrow to provide these airlines with connecting passengers, including from UK domestic routes and other European routes.
If the EU had wanted to make sure the acquisition was in the travelling public's best interests (personally I think the acquisition is in the best interests of the travelling public anyway), it could have issued mandates about BA maintaining combined frequencies and capping fare rises on the domestic segments, and not about releasing slots with conditions attached to them that mean that that no one is really going to want to take them on.
Emotionally as a past employee I'd have preferred bmi to have continued as a viable going concern, but clearly that wasn't going to happen. So I'm really glad it's ended this way - many bmi employees [mainline at least] will now find a new life and income with BA, competition that was arguably in some ways counter-productive for both BA and bmi in these difficult times has been removed from the market, and some limited route growth potential has been opened up at LHR for a UK airline.
Andy
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I can't see there being [m]any takers for the domestic routes - who would take on MAN-LHR when most of that market has now moved to rail
Please don't fall for the trainspotter spin that everyone's upped and left MANLHR for the choochoo-train. There's still a lot of feeder traffic amongst that 770k pax........
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Er, apart from the 770,518 pax that flew MANLHR in 2011, you mean?
Please don't fall for the trainspotter spin that everyone's upped and left MANLHR for the choochoo-train. There's still a lot of feeder traffic amongst that 770k pax........
Please don't fall for the trainspotter spin that everyone's upped and left MANLHR for the choochoo-train. There's still a lot of feeder traffic amongst that 770k pax........
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Er, apart from the 770,518 pax that flew MANLHR in 2011, you mean? Please don't fall for the trainspotter spin that everyone's upped and left MANLHR for the choochoo-train. There's still a lot of feeder traffic amongst that 770k pax........
I really can't see the slots BA have given up for domestic routes being well used. Having one carrier on these routes means a single potentially realistic and viable operation versus two that struggled in the past due to the affect of competition. As I said, if the EU had really wanted to protect "passenger interests" (whatever that means) they'd have been better off putting fare rise caps in place.
What I mean by this is not the same model as EZY or FR. I have not made myself very clear.
For a start the short haul operation I would imagine should be a separate business with different contracts to mainline VS. They will need to operate from the same Terminal so as to be a proper feeder system.
For a start the short haul operation I would imagine should be a separate business with different contracts to mainline VS. They will need to operate from the same Terminal so as to be a proper feeder system.
You ought to jog off and see SRB and let him know. There might be a few bob in it for you as well!
YS
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Yellow Sun,
Why the aggression? Why not debate a considered argument rather than just being rude. So far all you have done is say no, and not given any reasons why not. Unlike the well considered post by EastMids.
I tried to be conciliatory and admit that I wasn't making myself clear. I really don't think that there is any need for you to be like this.
But *sigh* here goes:
Is there something that you would like to talk about that might help with your anger? Maybe something in the past that has happened, even in your childhood? You know what Freud might say, or Jung? Oedipal issue maybe, you haven't ever tried ripping your eyes out have you? If we can isolate a specific event I think that some Cognitive Behavioural Therapy might do the trick.
Or,
Even worse, are you:
ex Fast Jet????
Why the aggression? Why not debate a considered argument rather than just being rude. So far all you have done is say no, and not given any reasons why not. Unlike the well considered post by EastMids.
I tried to be conciliatory and admit that I wasn't making myself clear. I really don't think that there is any need for you to be like this.
But *sigh* here goes:
Is there something that you would like to talk about that might help with your anger? Maybe something in the past that has happened, even in your childhood? You know what Freud might say, or Jung? Oedipal issue maybe, you haven't ever tried ripping your eyes out have you? If we can isolate a specific event I think that some Cognitive Behavioural Therapy might do the trick.
Or,
Even worse, are you:
ex Fast Jet????
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Hi folks, following on from Friday's news; here are some key point updates:
The BA integration team were at Donington Hall on Monday for a meeting with bmi mainline’s extended management team.
BA's CFO will be at Donington Hall tomorrow (Wednesday 4 April) to speak to various staff.
The [bmi] Commercial team have all been issued their 90day consultation. This includes: Sales & Marketing, Network and Revenue Management. I suspect the latter will be made instantly redundant.
bmi will leave Star Alliance (obviously)
The BA flight code will be added to the following BD flights: Yerevan, Baku; Addis Ababa; Tbilisi; Almaty; Bishkek; Beirut; Freetown and Khartoum
Expect changes to the bmi hangar at EMA very soon, details are sketchy but it appears it's linked with bmibaby.
It's alledged that the 'Granite' deal for bmiR is off meaning IAG have WW and bmiR to get rid of ASAP
The BA integration team were at Donington Hall on Monday for a meeting with bmi mainline’s extended management team.
BA's CFO will be at Donington Hall tomorrow (Wednesday 4 April) to speak to various staff.
The [bmi] Commercial team have all been issued their 90day consultation. This includes: Sales & Marketing, Network and Revenue Management. I suspect the latter will be made instantly redundant.
bmi will leave Star Alliance (obviously)
The BA flight code will be added to the following BD flights: Yerevan, Baku; Addis Ababa; Tbilisi; Almaty; Bishkek; Beirut; Freetown and Khartoum
Expect changes to the bmi hangar at EMA very soon, details are sketchy but it appears it's linked with bmibaby.
It's alledged that the 'Granite' deal for bmiR is off meaning IAG have WW and bmiR to get rid of ASAP
Having seen all this before at BHX what's the betting IAG will get rid of baby and BMIR at the end of the summer season? Timing would be all important based on forward bookings for both carriers.
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They will most likely get rid of bmibaby. Perhaps Jet2 would be interested?
But bmi regional is a very profitable business. They won't want to get rid of that. I think it could become part of the BA Cityflyer brand?
But bmi regional is a very profitable business. They won't want to get rid of that. I think it could become part of the BA Cityflyer brand?
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If I were Virgin - I would buy baby for next to nothing (if they want to have a feeder at Heathrow). Use some aircraft as a feeder at LHR, and the rest to create an airline similar to Jet2, where they can sell a holiday product as well.
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It would be a big shift in direction given how short lived virgin express and virgin sun were, and it wouldnt give them any extra slots in heathrow surely? Mind you, virginbaby does have a certain ring to it!
