Small airports, big security hassles
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Don't blame the airports, blame the Government.
The Department of Transport consistantly refuse to meet with Airport Authorities to discuss what is common sense and what is not, simply because if, for example, they allowed water pistols to be carried on board, there is a possibility that said item could be filled with noxcious liquid and used to threaten crew. They wouldn't accept that if said pistols were proven to be empty prior to boarding, they wouldnt be a threat, because no one has proved that this would be infallible.
All airports have to follow the same Government guide lines, they guidelines are so vague that there is massive interperation to be had by indiviual organisations.
There are childrens toy guns which are so like the real thing, in a heated moment it's difficult to tell them from the real thing - faced with it at your head or that of a loved one, who would argue? With basic training, such as hand to hand combat skills taught by the Military, I could kill you with a pebble in my fist. A sobering thought and exactly what these people have to take into account, although I whole heartedly agree that they shouldn't have to.
Take it up with your MP and see how far you get.
The Department of Transport consistantly refuse to meet with Airport Authorities to discuss what is common sense and what is not, simply because if, for example, they allowed water pistols to be carried on board, there is a possibility that said item could be filled with noxcious liquid and used to threaten crew. They wouldn't accept that if said pistols were proven to be empty prior to boarding, they wouldnt be a threat, because no one has proved that this would be infallible.
All airports have to follow the same Government guide lines, they guidelines are so vague that there is massive interperation to be had by indiviual organisations.
There are childrens toy guns which are so like the real thing, in a heated moment it's difficult to tell them from the real thing - faced with it at your head or that of a loved one, who would argue? With basic training, such as hand to hand combat skills taught by the Military, I could kill you with a pebble in my fist. A sobering thought and exactly what these people have to take into account, although I whole heartedly agree that they shouldn't have to.
Take it up with your MP and see how far you get.
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@ yates
Don't blame the airports, blame the Government.
Why?..Did they smash aircraft into the Twin towers that made all this extra security necessary.
Yes it's inconvenient..Better than the inconvenience of being blown out the the sky, because proper checks had not been made.
Don't blame the airports, blame the Government.
Yes it's inconvenient..Better than the inconvenience of being blown out the the sky, because proper checks had not been made.
Aero Mad,
" Security staff may know the passenger, but what of the "stranger" in the queue behind you...."
sorry too subtle maybe, but the Security slaves are watched and tested and very aware of the possibility of dft testing , today a pebble, tomorrow an island so to speak
As Yates says "Don't blame the airports, blame the Government." his post is spot on.
A Haggis in a sporran could also be considered a weapon, its the Goverment experts who decide the criteria
Ah the TPCA & MPA ,memories of 30 years past as a probationer and then as now always interested in the current situation, so dont shoot the messenger old boy.
" Security staff may know the passenger, but what of the "stranger" in the queue behind you...."
sorry too subtle maybe, but the Security slaves are watched and tested and very aware of the possibility of dft testing , today a pebble, tomorrow an island so to speak
As Yates says "Don't blame the airports, blame the Government." his post is spot on.
A Haggis in a sporran could also be considered a weapon, its the Goverment experts who decide the criteria
Ah the TPCA & MPA ,memories of 30 years past as a probationer and then as now always interested in the current situation, so dont shoot the messenger old boy.
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Clear as can be - You may not be able to take a pebble, but you can take breast milk through security;;
Blaming HM Government - Humbug.
Dangerous and restricted items: what you cannot take on board an aircraft : Directgov - Travel and transport
Air travel hand baggage rules : Directgov - Travel and transport
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Not just the UK.
Does anyone bring home sand, sea shells, and pebbles as momentos - Page 2 - Cruise Critic Message Boards
Blaming HM Government - Humbug
.Dangerous and restricted items: what you cannot take on board an aircraft : Directgov - Travel and transport
Air travel hand baggage rules : Directgov - Travel and transport
EDIT:
Not just the UK.
We has a nice small collection of shells we had picked up off the beach in Costa Rica and they were confiscated by the authorities at the airport in Liberia.
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The airlines (on behalf of their passengers) argue for a risk-based approach to security. That is to say, the consequences of a Scotsman going berserk on a small aeroplane with an outsize pebble in his sock might be considerable, but the risk of it happening is negligible.
But there again, on 10th September 2001, the risk of terrorists taking control of four airliners and flying three of them into public buildings would have been perceived as negligible. Therein lies the dilemma.
But there again, on 10th September 2001, the risk of terrorists taking control of four airliners and flying three of them into public buildings would have been perceived as negligible. Therein lies the dilemma.
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Once, not long after September 11, a friend of mine tried to take a cigarette lighter shaped like a bullet ( one of the several items of tat given to us by a major nightclub) through security at Palma airport. You can imagine the hilarity that ensued...
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It's not whether the general level of airport security is too onerous (for the record, I think it's far too OTT and agree with Bruce Schneier about it being theatre rather than effective or necessary) but whether some of the small island airports are even worse than that.
It seems as if they could well be. Which is a shame - and yes, it'll be CalMac for me when I get the choice. (Although their onboard catering is a terror weapon in itself.) Next time, I'll make sure to pack my geological specimens (including anything particularly interesting from Yesnaby) away from prying eyes.
It seems as if they could well be. Which is a shame - and yes, it'll be CalMac for me when I get the choice. (Although their onboard catering is a terror weapon in itself.) Next time, I'll make sure to pack my geological specimens (including anything particularly interesting from Yesnaby) away from prying eyes.
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we should be using the resources to target certain types of people
Of course we should !
Trouble is that plays straight into the hands of those who scream about racism and victimisation. As long as those folk are listened to, things will stay as they are.
