New airline to start LCY - New York ?
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New airline to start LCY - New York ?
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A long shot I know but could 'The Big Orange Man' be involved?
He made those statements about a new airline earlier this year and Odyssey is Greek
He made those statements about a new airline earlier this year and Odyssey is Greek
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The article also fails to point out that BA passengers also clear US customs and immigration during the refuel, something those on a non-stop would have to do at JFK
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No need for the headbanging smiley. Bombardier anticipates that with a business-class-type payload (eg 50 rather than 110 seats) the aircraft can do LCY to US East Coast, so the statement in the article may in fact be (gasp!) accurate.
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The article also fails to point out that BA passengers also clear US customs and immigration during the refuel, something those on a non-stop would have to do at JFK
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- Against BA Exec Club?
- In a small company without the ability to ship you on to other services if there is a tech failure?
- In a company without the experience and established paths of interworking with other carriers?
BUT:-
- In the deepest recession since the 1930s??
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The press release mentioned 10 aircraft being purchased. So, one could assume more than one North American destination from LCY. Perhaps Toronto, Boston, Washington and Philadelphia with a few cycles for certain destinations (NY and BOS).
Not sure LCY has the ramp space for 5-10 more aircraft the size of the C-Series (certainly bigger than the FK50). I agree a huge challenge would be overcoming BA's loyalty points programme - all business types want to get points to take their family on holiday. That's a huge market entry barrier.
Not sure LCY has the ramp space for 5-10 more aircraft the size of the C-Series (certainly bigger than the FK50). I agree a huge challenge would be overcoming BA's loyalty points programme - all business types want to get points to take their family on holiday. That's a huge market entry barrier.
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Maybe but maybe they are in negotiations to be part of an alliance thus offering Skyteam or Star permutations or perhaps be part of something which is already quite sandy and big ??
One would have to be pretty desperate to describe a techstop as an advantage!!
Not sure LCY has the ramp space for 5-10 more aircraft the size of the C-Series
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Interesting info, Iver. IF Bombardier are subsidising / partnering and IF Star Alliance feel the need for a toe- hold, then it would change the balance.
However, I remain sceptical that this can be pulled off in a recession.
However, I remain sceptical that this can be pulled off in a recession.
Let us suppose that LCY sees a big expansion in transatlantic business-only flights.
What effect does this have on flights from LHR to the eastern seaboard ?
Presumably if Odyssey launch from LCY, then BA will have a competitive response from LHR - at least until Odyssey are squished or BA decide to stop the blood letting and accept Odyssey as a competitor.
Now suppose that BA launch a significant expansion of transatlantic from LCY. What happens to the flights from LHR to the same destinations ? Is LCY really just a metaphorical drop in the ocean with plenty more demand for transatlantic business class seats anyway, or is this going to make a big dent on profitability by part cannibalising existing transatlantic flights from LHR ?
What effect does this have on flights from LHR to the eastern seaboard ?
Presumably if Odyssey launch from LCY, then BA will have a competitive response from LHR - at least until Odyssey are squished or BA decide to stop the blood letting and accept Odyssey as a competitor.
Now suppose that BA launch a significant expansion of transatlantic from LCY. What happens to the flights from LHR to the same destinations ? Is LCY really just a metaphorical drop in the ocean with plenty more demand for transatlantic business class seats anyway, or is this going to make a big dent on profitability by part cannibalising existing transatlantic flights from LHR ?
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davidjohnson6, I think that any talk of 10 or 15 aircraft for Odyssey is an exaggeration: there is only a limited market for premium travel between Europe and the USA, as MAXjet, Silverjet and to some extent both Openskies (having chopped Washington) and BA (running only two 38 seat aircraft) show.
But, on the assumption that Odyssey would use the CS100ER, ten of those would still only give a total seat capacity of probably 500 seats (if they rip half the seats out for long haul ops) - roughly the same as one 747-400. Given that BA run such a high frequency service between LHR and JFK, I can't see Odyssey making the slightest difference to their LHR loads/profitability. And, up against the BA Executive Club, they're unlikely to take much off BA's LCY-JFK loads either.
If the market was larger and BA were to expand transatlantic ops from LCY, then perhaps Odyssey would have the opportunity to make a larger impact but as I say, the demand simply isn't there for them to do anything groundbreaking - the loads on BA's LCY pond-hopping services are nothing to write home about (although exorbitant fares continue to keep them profitable) so there simply isn't the space.
But, on the assumption that Odyssey would use the CS100ER, ten of those would still only give a total seat capacity of probably 500 seats (if they rip half the seats out for long haul ops) - roughly the same as one 747-400. Given that BA run such a high frequency service between LHR and JFK, I can't see Odyssey making the slightest difference to their LHR loads/profitability. And, up against the BA Executive Club, they're unlikely to take much off BA's LCY-JFK loads either.
If the market was larger and BA were to expand transatlantic ops from LCY, then perhaps Odyssey would have the opportunity to make a larger impact but as I say, the demand simply isn't there for them to do anything groundbreaking - the loads on BA's LCY pond-hopping services are nothing to write home about (although exorbitant fares continue to keep them profitable) so there simply isn't the space.
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the loads on BA's LCY pond-hopping services are nothing to write home about
When this route was first talked of, I wondered how they'd get round the tech stop, but that seems to have worked ok, and isn't a problem on the return leg.
I also remember EOS heavily advertising around Canary Wharf - all well and good, but clearly not good enough.
I'd struggle to think which other US cities have anything like the same need for such a service? I would guess IAD has some top ranking politicos, yes there is plenty of hi-tech stuff around the beltway, but the same as NYC? Chicago may be have more financials - still a big futures centre iirc, but are we still within range?
