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I think he is right to question the overwhelming presence they now have at LHR.
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Whilst some routes might migrate from LGW to LHR, I am sure IAG would want to retain a presence at LGW for future expansion given the current stalling or R3 at LHR. It's the same reason BA maintain a presence in T3 at LHR- it makes flexing and growing capacity easier because you have an established infrastructure. With added slots at LHR, BA may be able to achieve medium-0term growth, but long-term LHR will always be constrained.
TUPE?
Are there any mainline BMI staff dotted around the UK regions or are they all BMI-regional/BMIBaby employees?
I'm thinking about Engineers and Check-in staff as opposed to flying crew.
I'm thinking about Engineers and Check-in staff as opposed to flying crew.
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Are there any mainline BMI staff dotted around the UK regions or are they all BMI-regional/BMIBaby employees?
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did virgin back in July look like it was about to go on strike?
1984 - 2011 27 years no strike
I think that demonstrates an example of employee relations that many companies would be happy with -
Nearest they came was a couple of years ago with cabin crew
July - cockpit crew? Not really that close because the difference between what was offered and what was wanted was small. I doubt a strike would have come because who wants to be out of work at a time like this?
1984 - 2011 27 years no strike
I think that demonstrates an example of employee relations that many companies would be happy with -
Nearest they came was a couple of years ago with cabin crew
July - cockpit crew? Not really that close because the difference between what was offered and what was wanted was small. I doubt a strike would have come because who wants to be out of work at a time like this?
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as ex-bmi, sad day, but inevitable !
Without knowing what happens to bmibaby, what is going to happen to the Engineering base at EMA and the HQ at Don Hall, will these still exist by April 2012 ?
Potentially another blow to job market in East Midlands
Without knowing what happens to bmibaby, what is going to happen to the Engineering base at EMA and the HQ at Don Hall, will these still exist by April 2012 ?
Potentially another blow to job market in East Midlands
VS never really wanted bmi
They just didn't want BA to have it.
They just didn't want BA to have it.
If you add on the AA slots, then IAG has a huge, anti competitive, chunk of the market. VA would eventually either stop any expansion or even worse shrink to just 'cherry picking' routes and charter.
Either way, a bad day for BMI and the public.
They self handle at Glasgow (BMI Baby, Emirates and BMI Regional), Edinburgh and Manchester.
IE BMI regional staff handle BMI mainline flights or vice-versa?
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I'm afraid I've never really bought into this Virgin Atlantic feeder argument. The VA long-haul departures from LHR are (necessarily) spread out throughout the day. If you want to offer reasonable connections in both directions, you can't feed/defeed them effectively with less than 3 daily frequencies. Maybe, just maybe, this could work for the densest routes where a VA connection through LHR is competitive with the alternatives (e.g. from MAN and EDI). But from continental Europe? Sorry, but I just don't see it.
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Skip, is that self handled by BMI mainline staff or self handled by their own group?
IE BMI regional staff handle BMI mainline flights or vice-versa?
IE BMI regional staff handle BMI mainline flights or vice-versa?
shrink to just 'cherry picking' routes and charter.
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TUPE
to answer Hovis's post from earlier, TUPE will not apply IAG are purchasing all of Bmi and not just part of the business.
TUPE may apply internally if Bmi sell Regional to a different group. I am not aware how the structure of Bmi is currently set up but TUPE works on the principle that the staff will follow the work and therefore anyone working principly on the Regional prooduct would TUPE to the new Regional owner.
I would strongly advise any staff working on multiple products to consult their contracts of employment to see who they actually legally work for and then consider which part of the organisation that they principally work for, this should give them a good idea where they are likley to end up.
A good union rep really comes into their own in situations like this.
TUPE may apply internally if Bmi sell Regional to a different group. I am not aware how the structure of Bmi is currently set up but TUPE works on the principle that the staff will follow the work and therefore anyone working principly on the Regional prooduct would TUPE to the new Regional owner.
I would strongly advise any staff working on multiple products to consult their contracts of employment to see who they actually legally work for and then consider which part of the organisation that they principally work for, this should give them a good idea where they are likley to end up.
A good union rep really comes into their own in situations like this.
Don't usually post in here but a relatively senior BA mate of mine reckoned that the future for BMI under IAG was to keep it as a seperate airline but use it to add differentiated products/ service/ routes to the IAG portfolio rather than to merge with BA, much in the same way that they have for Iberia. There will have to be some cost cutting & there will have to be some savings generated from synergies (whiter Donington Hall???) but the brand may continue.
As a result no TUPE issues or messy negotiations over Ts & Cs.
As a result no TUPE issues or messy negotiations over Ts & Cs.
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I'm not sure whether you are correct?
From the acas website;
It would seem that if the business (aircraft, slots etc) are transferred to IAG then TUPE applies. However, if BMI continues to operate as it's own brand then it becomes more complicated.
Dave
I'm not sure whether you are correct?
From the acas website;
TUPE applies when an undertaking or part of it is transferred from one employer to another, eg:
where all or part of a sole trader's business or partnership is sold or otherwise transferred
where a company, or part of it, is bought or acquired by another (if the second company buys or acquires the assets and then runs the business rather than acquiring the shares only)
where two companies cease to exist and combine to form a third
where a contract to provide goods or services is transferred in circumstances which amount to the transfer of a business or undertaking to a new employer.
TUPE can apply regardless of the size of the transferred undertaking, ie from large organisations employing thousands of employees to small businesses like a village shop with one assistant.
where all or part of a sole trader's business or partnership is sold or otherwise transferred
where a company, or part of it, is bought or acquired by another (if the second company buys or acquires the assets and then runs the business rather than acquiring the shares only)
where two companies cease to exist and combine to form a third
where a contract to provide goods or services is transferred in circumstances which amount to the transfer of a business or undertaking to a new employer.
TUPE can apply regardless of the size of the transferred undertaking, ie from large organisations employing thousands of employees to small businesses like a village shop with one assistant.
Dave