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Old 23rd Mar 2012, 12:14
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"Switzerland is not in the EU, therefore would the EU competition authority would not hold any sway surely if Swiss were to be sold. Maybe Austrian would have been a better comparitor for your anti EU rant."

Aren't the Swiss lucky? (Or sensible!) They are able to agree to a deal involving Swiss companies in Switzerland that would consider Swiss jobs.

The Swiss therefore have a distinct advantage over the Austrians.

Wouldn't all those bmi staff be a lot happier if the UK could make the same decisions without foreign interference?

If that is an "anti EU rant" then surely there are a lot of bmi (and other UK) crews who would feel it is justified?
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Old 23rd Mar 2012, 12:33
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i doubt it would affect the crews at all. bmi is already operating under crewed for those slots.
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Old 23rd Mar 2012, 12:42
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"Switzerland is not in the EU, therefore would the EU competition authority would not hold any sway surely if Swiss were to be sold. Maybe Austrian would have been a better comparitor for your anti EU rant."
As a member of the EEA, if a Swiss carrier was operating routes inside the EU then they too would be subject to EC investigation. The difference is that the UK at least has some political representation in the EC/EU, whereas the Swiss don't .

It makes me wonder how long this charade can continue before either DLH or IAG decide it isn't worth the effort anymore. Wonder what the next step will be if there is no clear decision on the 30th?
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Old 23rd Mar 2012, 12:49
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Wouldn't all those bmi staff be a lot happier if the UK could make the same decisions without foreign interference?

Yes they would, but the UK OFT have dodged the issue by referring it to the EU competition authority. Presumably so they can say' it wasn't us gov' it was them pesky Europeans.
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Old 23rd Mar 2012, 13:03
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I have to say that having been a BD employee for well over a decade I am not surprised that the takeover has been / is being handled in such a farcical manner.

The damage to the brand is not relevant because that will be lost anyway, but many loyal staff are being left in limbo, the company line has been "more information in the coming weeks" since the airline went up for sale nearly 6 months ago and although we know who the mainline buyer is we have absolutely no clue as to what will become of us, hardly worthy of their "investors in people" award!

I for one will be glad when the Eurocrats get their respective fingers out and make a decision.
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Old 23rd Mar 2012, 13:19
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MAN is not an issue because of the now heavy dominance of the rail operators who have taken the majority of the market share from BA/BD.
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Old 23rd Mar 2012, 13:48
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So.... The BMI Regional thread has been merged into the mainline one???thanks for letting us know! Do the mods know something we don't???? Or have they lost all hope of BMIR being bought???? The mystery continues.....
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Old 23rd Mar 2012, 14:09
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European Commission and BMI Purchase

Thanks Granite City Express you beat me to the EEA point, I was amazed how this wasn't taken into account in all those Swiss references. In the days of Swissair they lobbied furiously to their Governement worried about being outside the single market in aviation, and to enter an agreement with the EU, QED they are members of EEA, and have to implement all EU directives etc but have no representation or input whatsoever over these matters with the EU.

Trossie, foreign interference. As a UK natonal you are also a EU citizen, as stated on your passport, and the UK comissioners sit alongside all the other member states, except of course the EEA ones. So that's not a correct analysis.

As far as slots and feeds to LHR, it seems to me that DLH are doing very well feeding FRA, MUC and DUS from the UK regions. Big increase in pax last year for them from BHX & MAN. I do feel sorry however for all those at BMI, it really does seem very agonisng. I'll also miss BMI.
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Old 23rd Mar 2012, 14:43
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Merging the Regional thread into this thread is not helpful.
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Old 23rd Mar 2012, 15:57
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It is in fact very silly, considering we have known for some time that they are to be split up as two different companies (unless BA takes on Regional, which everything points towards being very unlikely indeed).
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Old 23rd Mar 2012, 19:50
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As for the actions of the regulatory authorities, it's called "passing the buck". Too difficult a decision? shuffle it off to Brussels.

The EU Parliament (or talking shop) is irrelevant for these purposes, most EU activity is determined by intergovernmental agreement: meetings of the prime ministers/presidents of EU countries.

There's always an excuse difficult decisions - or implementing a manifesto promise. For example:

"Nick Clegg won't let me have an EU referendum"
"The European Court won't let me deport alleged terrorists"
"The EU won't let me bail out BD, but I can bail out the banks"

Notice a trend?
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Old 24th Mar 2012, 01:13
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Yes, another irrational europhobe
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Old 24th Mar 2012, 06:23
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Yes, another irrational europhobe
OK Mr Artie F..... What exactly do they do? How do they help the UK? They are causing enough problems with trade with China and the US with these so called emission taxes. There is so much methane coming from Brussels and Strasbourg that they should tax themselves.

So we have 6 days to go before a final answer to all this speculation and an answer will be given? I really do hope so for the sake of the poor souls in BMI. This farce has dragged on for long enough and wasted so much money.
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Old 24th Mar 2012, 09:51
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They are causing enough problems with trade with China and the US with these so called emission taxes
Yes causing problems, but not for you or I. They are sticking to their guns and forcing ICAO to come up with a policy of it's own, something ICAO could have done in the last few decades but currently lacks. In effect they are getting the ball rolling on this matter which will hopefully bring about a globally accepted solution in the medium to long term.
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Old 24th Mar 2012, 19:42
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Oh dear, these irrational europhiles...!!

"Emissions trading" must be the biggest bureaucratic farce that exists: trading something that has disappeared into thin air!! (And the 'quantities' being determined by a new army of eurocrats....) And what good is it going to do? It'll chase all the transfer trade away from Europe: Why connect from North America to the East via any European hub and pay silly euro-pricing when you can go via the middle east and not pay that silly euro-pricing!! What-oh, kill off European busniness and sit there smugly saying "Look at how good and 'euro-green' we are!". In the mean time, jobs at bmi...? Oh, we'll get around to them sometime, may be a bit late by then, but -- hey -- look at these good euro-taxpayer funded jobs the we've got here at the Commission!! (And name a Commissionser that has the term 'democratic' spring to mind in connection with their jobs...?)

Good luck to the bmi staff, despite the EU!
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Old 26th Mar 2012, 00:21
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Quote: "Yes, another irrational europhobe"

Not at all, Artie Fufkin, just the cold facts, am telling it like it is.

Obviously co-operation between European countries is desirable, but we don't need an interfering, nit-picking, self-serving, money-wasting bureacracy in Brussels, a gravy-train that cannot get its accounts audited. Suspending all payments to Brussels would solve the debt-crisis at a stroke.

You probably believe that the EU has "kept the peace" in Europe since 1957, not so. It is welfare states, increasing prosperity (despite the EU) and mass travel that has done this. It is inconcievable that European countries would go to war now, we all know each other thanks to travel and have too much at stake. It's a million miles from grinding poverty for the majority that characterised the warring Europe of the early 20th century.

Look at the EU now, its policies and interference in southern European countries is causing no end of distress and could threaten their stability.
Governments cannot offer aid to companies in trouble, and over-zealous intepretation of their pointless "directives" puts jobs at risk.

Monetary union for political rather than economic reasons is crippling the continent's economy. For all his faults, Gordon Brown played a blinder keeping us out of that particular mess.

Everything positive that the EU takes credit for could be done by agreement between individual governments, for example, a single European sky, common air traffic control and openskies arrangements with other countries.

That's brought the thread back to aviation!

As previously stated, the government cannot bail out BD, the EU prevents it. It is true that successive governments would probably have been dis-inclined to do so, but they should have the option!

Judging by the subsequent posts since you called me a "Euro-phobe", Artie Fufkin, it appears that you are on the wrong side of the argument!

Hope this helps
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Old 26th Mar 2012, 06:55
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Yes causing problems, but not for you or I.
Surely this will affect us in the form of higher airfares!

So this is the week that BMI personal find their futures? EU commissions will come to a decision? All other bodies will have made their minds up? Good luck to everyone concerned. I hope it's positive news for you.
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Old 26th Mar 2012, 08:20
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I can see and would expect that where bmi & BA had a duopoly and it now become a BA monopoly, then yes fares are bound to rise. In the UK this will only effect MAN EDI & ABZ, one world will become a monopoly from Belfast through Aer Lingus.

People often quote GLA but from a business point of view it makes sense to be using a 767 rather than two A320/19's and of course better use of the limited slots in to LHR, how much the alleged price increase on this route is down to increased fuel costs?

I can't imagine that the EU will try to force other competition on to these routes, bmi couldn't make them work as part of STAR and there was nothing wrong with the product

Time to bring this sorry saga to end
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Old 26th Mar 2012, 11:57
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MAN EDI & ABZ all have connections to hubs at AMS, BRU, CDG & FRA (with some connections to CPH too). What 'monopoly'? LHR is not the only 'hub' airport in the universe.
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Old 26th Mar 2012, 12:17
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Trossie

Agreed and that's my point, its only a monopoly in to LHR in addition there are many flights serving London's other airports from all these places, so i don't understand what the fuss is about?
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