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Old 23rd Feb 2016, 21:48
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Think for the mix of sector lengths needed Ryanair Belfast Brussels is a racing certainty.
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Old 23rd Feb 2016, 22:01
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When the Milan route appeared briefly on the app, it was an early morning departure from Belfast. IF they are going to do an early morning and evening to the likes of Lba and Ema, would this indicate that some of these routes would have to be flown by non-based aircraft? One aircraft will be doing Lgw, one may be doing 2 a week to Milan, that doesn't leave room for early departures to the likes of the two airports I mentioned by Bfs based aircraft every week day.

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Old 23rd Feb 2016, 22:06
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Might only be serving one of these to begin with??
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Old 23rd Feb 2016, 23:27
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Originally Posted by EI-BUD
I really cannot see the logic in NCL. Ryanair only have a token operation there and their Dublin route is as it stands only 1 daily except Fri and Sunday where there are 2. Jan saw 15K pax on the route and that was shared with AerLingus Regional.

The timing of the Brussels route is not opportune for Brussels Airlines. Not only has capacity on the Dublin route doubled with Ryanair adding Zaventum last year, but they maintained Charleroi and fares are eye wateringly low. The ARJ will be difficult to fill especially since it is starting from scratch and the added competition that is likely from Ryanair. Great to see BHD getting the BRU link but the level of connecting traffic that can be achieved is at best questionable.

The arrival of FR on EMA and LBA spells ruin for BE on the respective routes from BHD unless FR only have a daily token offering, but my guess is that they will do morning and evening. I'd expect to see 9.99 and 19.99 each way and widely available.

Upon reflection based on the current BE fleet size of 77, if 9 are based at BHD and as an arbitrary estimate 2 more are occupied serving BHD from based in GB, that would mean that 11/77, so 1/7 of the fleet committed to BHD, which is a very significant portion of their business. FR could make a serious impact on their operation...
Dublin isn't Northern Ireland though. Newcastle is very popular with Northern Irish students.
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Old 24th Feb 2016, 01:02
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Thomas Cook will operate Orlando weekly next summer.

https://www.thomascookairlines.com/en/generated/timetable_S2017.pdf
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Old 24th Feb 2016, 05:15
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Orlando I think is only weekly late June to July?

Yes Owen Newcastle great place, but not just for students
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Old 24th Feb 2016, 18:55
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Yup only two flights are appearing for S17 at the minute down from the four flights this year.

First departs Thursday 29th June and the other Thursday 6th July.

Still plenty of time to add other flights but...
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Old 24th Feb 2016, 20:24
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Just checked TCX airlines website and I make it four flights to MCO over three week period!
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Old 25th Feb 2016, 07:42
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FR have now announced LGW is going 5x daily from winter
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Old 25th Feb 2016, 13:23
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Referring back to questions about FR's attitude to APD, raised a few days back. Judging by the number of new/expanded routes they are announcing all over the UK currently, they seem to have decided that APD is no longer as important a factor. So hardly a factor in their decision making for Bfs, I would have thought.
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Old 25th Feb 2016, 15:51
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They can expand with the APD, but could expand alot more rapidly without it. They cannot just stop expansion in the UK and let their competitors take over completely.
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Old 25th Feb 2016, 16:38
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Put simply they are less able to below cost sell £9.99 seats to remove the competition.
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Old 26th Feb 2016, 08:42
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Looks like Aer Lingus off again as their deal runs out at BHD. Not much commitment to Belfast then! Good luck to the crews and staff and good riddance to EI.

Jobs fear for Aer Lingus staff in Belfast - The Irish News
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Old 26th Feb 2016, 08:49
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It was expected, they are not going to kepp a set of full time crew and paying them to do nothing in winter. They will recruit seasonally.

The relevance to BFS?
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Old 26th Feb 2016, 09:46
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Originally Posted by EI-A330-300
It was expected, they are not going to kepp a set of full time crew and paying them to do nothing in winter. They will recruit seasonally.

The relevance to BFS?
The relevance is when an airline is stolen from an airport unfairly (we all know the story by now) well then yes it would be justifiable just to be a little smug when it all goes sour.
Feel sorry for the staff, perhaps they can apply for one of the many jobs at Bfs.
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Old 26th Feb 2016, 10:45
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I think EI case for moving was that passengers preferred BHD.....maybe not
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Old 26th Feb 2016, 10:48
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Stolen? Really, prehaps lay blame with incompetent BFS Management, had the current ones been in place it could of been a different story.

How have things gone sour at BHD?

Things are all good for BFS now, it wont last

Many jobs at Belfast, such media rubbish the net jobs gain will be far below what was announced. Anybody can see it and the media department got very creative with numbers and jobs directly related.
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Old 26th Feb 2016, 11:04
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Jaime


You are partially correct in your statement (in my opinion)


Yes the previous management at BFS I believe should have done more to keep EI, but moving 15 miles to another airport "because customers prefer its location" we know was "we got a better deal at BHD" If we look at caa stats for January London routes decline, BFS all London routes increase. This I think proves that for the majority of NI pax the location of airport is irrelevant. Price is what is important


Unless EI start something for the winter 16/17 there will only be 3 daily services to LHR by EI......yes that will mean potential job losses or relocation.


Just my opinion
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Old 26th Feb 2016, 12:33
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There is a lot of talk about incompetent mgmt at BFS and how the new ones are much better....

... it is the same people with support from a new owner.

As for EI leaving, mgmt couldn't have done much because they were offered a much better deal by BHD and the ownership of BFS didn't let the local mgmt do anything. Odd but true!
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Old 26th Feb 2016, 12:39
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No....it is the same people with a new MD. There is a radical difference when a new person comes in. I believe that this is obvious from the results so far.
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