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I have been watching this story unfold from afar and I have to agree with Plymouth Pixie, JCSL it seems like sour grapes from you . As I understand it you werent even in the frame to be considered as even a partner or a serious buyer for the airport by either Viable or SHH.
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Footster, I share the same view of a few councillors down in Plymouth re Viable and that it is nothing more than a talking shop with little substance.
This is an anonymous forum and that's how I remain, as like most, you should both be respective of that fact.
This is an anonymous forum and that's how I remain, as like most, you should both be respective of that fact.
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As a City Plymouth is on its knees, and taking away its airport will see the city collapse. Unlike you in you sound Manchesters, London and the big cities. We down here struggle and the ity will soon collapse. It is not an aviation interest its to save the citys economy and stop money grabbing ars*s stealing money buying lying to close a public service to line there own pokects. Hope they all go to hell and that is you SHH
Be a shamed!
Be a shamed!
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Lufthansa tried a 50 seater 'pocket rocket' operation thru BRS, with all of BRS's catchment area, it lasted one season.
The BRS-FRA route was actually operated by a Eurowings Bae 146-300 and carried just shy of 100,000 passengers in its 13 months of operation but apparently not sufficient to satisfy LH, and it was axed as the recession began to bite in the spring of 2009. Perhaps a 'pocket rocket' would have been viable - BA franchises operated the route for many years using one.
But your point is well made that if the BRS catchment could not sustain this type of operation the smaller catchment of Devon/Cornwall would be unlikey to do so.
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WOWBOY and others,
In case it had slipped by you the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland and the European Union are on their knees, not just the city of Plymouth!
And, whilst not defending, I can assure the audience that JSCL is far from being a teenager and I KNOW that his money is for real.
As for me, I've made no bid for PLH, as per my profile I'm in a tropical paradise of which the city iof Plymouth is not and there is a certain Plymouth City Councillor, he and I worked together at PLH back in the 80's, and he could speak for our not too long ago conversation whereas I had enthusiasm that PLH might survive but I wasn't holding my breath, i.e. there's no sour grapes from me.
I can assure the audience that PLH will be never more than a restricted length runway glorified flying club/business airfield with a sprinkling of 'puddle jumper sized aircraft' scheduled operations.
Low Cost, Ryanaqir, Easyjet, KLM, Frog Air, Lufthansa?
Who's really behaving like teenager(s) suggesting that these are EVER likely to happen?
In case it had slipped by you the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland and the European Union are on their knees, not just the city of Plymouth!
And, whilst not defending, I can assure the audience that JSCL is far from being a teenager and I KNOW that his money is for real.
As for me, I've made no bid for PLH, as per my profile I'm in a tropical paradise of which the city iof Plymouth is not and there is a certain Plymouth City Councillor, he and I worked together at PLH back in the 80's, and he could speak for our not too long ago conversation whereas I had enthusiasm that PLH might survive but I wasn't holding my breath, i.e. there's no sour grapes from me.
I can assure the audience that PLH will be never more than a restricted length runway glorified flying club/business airfield with a sprinkling of 'puddle jumper sized aircraft' scheduled operations.
Low Cost, Ryanaqir, Easyjet, KLM, Frog Air, Lufthansa?
Who's really behaving like teenager(s) suggesting that these are EVER likely to happen?
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WOWBOY,
I am not going to discuss anything about PLH or my involvement here. As I have already stated, I am an anonymous individual and wish to remain as such and request you respect that.
If you have a topic to discuss - you can easily PM me.
ATB.
I am not going to discuss anything about PLH or my involvement here. As I have already stated, I am an anonymous individual and wish to remain as such and request you respect that.
If you have a topic to discuss - you can easily PM me.
ATB.
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JSCL you have tuned turtle. You have already discussed your involvment when you mentioned that your offer of £12 million was rejected by SHH.
PF - nobody has asked about your involvment with the airport so the issue of sour grapes with yourself doesn't wash. i haven't asked if you have put a bid in or not because i was unaware that you had if at all in the matter.
PF - nobody has asked about your involvment with the airport so the issue of sour grapes with yourself doesn't wash. i haven't asked if you have put a bid in or not because i was unaware that you had if at all in the matter.
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Thats the exact kind of immature comment I'd have expected from JSCL, I've got no issue with my name being posted - afterall, I've got nothing to hide about Plymouth or my involvment.
I support VIABLE, so far it's the only "organisation" that has stood up to fight for what we believe in.
We are all entitled to our opinions JCSL and this is an open forum, but VIABLE is not what you think it is - why your against them, I don't know, seeing as you seem to have been working with them from their very outset.
If you want to talk this further in PM's I'd be more then happy to
As for PF - I'm amazed as to why you've outlined in such detail your position on Plymouth, I never asked you for information on a bid, neither why you should feel the need to mention about being sour grapes?
I support VIABLE, so far it's the only "organisation" that has stood up to fight for what we believe in.
We are all entitled to our opinions JCSL and this is an open forum, but VIABLE is not what you think it is - why your against them, I don't know, seeing as you seem to have been working with them from their very outset.
If you want to talk this further in PM's I'd be more then happy to
As for PF - I'm amazed as to why you've outlined in such detail your position on Plymouth, I never asked you for information on a bid, neither why you should feel the need to mention about being sour grapes?
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Believe it or not footster & PlymouthPixie forum member(s) do not need to be asked by either of the likes of you before they post a reasonable opinion based on what is blatantly obvious ... that even if PLH were to remain open it would not be receiving the likes of KLM F70's, EZY A319's nor RYR B737-800's etc. and if JSCL or myself might cut to the chase in expressing how ridiculous such suggestion is then so be it.
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PF, publishing names is strictly forbidden and JSCL did just that. Nobody should object to the content of posts if it is subjective - but JSCL clearly crossed the line on the names.
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AM,
I haven't seen where he published a name and if he did break pprune's rules then fair comment.
BUT ... talking that his money is 'Fisher Price', that he is a teenager, etc, throwing such ridiculous and immature insults at an, unknown, another doesn't serve to maintain a gentlemanly level of maturity on the forum.
I haven't seen where he published a name and if he did break pprune's rules then fair comment.
BUT ... talking that his money is 'Fisher Price', that he is a teenager, etc, throwing such ridiculous and immature insults at an, unknown, another doesn't serve to maintain a gentlemanly level of maturity on the forum.
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Whilst I dont condem Plymouth Pixies comments naming names is a breach of the rules.It seems PF you only see what you want to see. Based around the web site and video of the Plymouth Masterplan I saw which was amateurish to say the least I too would have thrown out JCSL's bid. It seems that he calls for annonimity when it suits him. But Plymouth is a doomed airport because that lease is worth tens of millions to SHH and it didnt take an idiot to know that £12 million was never gonna buy it of them . Whilst viable have the expert airport/airline knowledge and professionalism behind them building a viable buisness plan for Plymouth it is my beleif that they too are doomed as SHH are not in a position financially just to hand over the lease.
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Let's return to the topic of the airport, Viable and the future for PLH and not individuals specifically involved with anything relating to them who are active around here, okay? This bouncing back and forth between he did this and he did that is not helping the topic.
But I must pick up on:
For months have I asked for nothing but anonymity. Thank you.
I do have to pick up on a few comments footster re SHH + Viable.
It's worth about £13m with sale of land (to them that is) - with a total of £25-£30m total value with sale of land to housing.
I question this, having heard a contradiction from their own views on how Viable is being run.
Indeed, to quote a certain acting CEO of SHH - "I don't believe this company will be around in two years time to see the outcome of any sale of land. My view is we need cash and we need it now."
ATB,
But I must pick up on:
annonimity when it suits him
I do have to pick up on a few comments footster re SHH + Viable.
"lease is worth tens of millions to SHH"
viable have the expert airport/airline knowledge
too are doomed as SHH are not in a position financially just to hand over the lease.
ATB,
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Folks this thread has run off the rails in the past few days and I have better things to do than to spend time trying to stop the petty bickering going on here.
I have already made a ban and some deletions and I only have patience for those who seem to know how to behave rather than those who have a petulant streak running through them. They know who they are.
Get the thread back on topic or it gets closed. Thank you.
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I have already made a ban and some deletions and I only have patience for those who seem to know how to behave rather than those who have a petulant streak running through them. They know who they are.
Get the thread back on topic or it gets closed. Thank you.
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Phileas Fogg. Sorry to delete your post but is way too large. We have a PPRuNe size for pics of no more than 850x850 - without added space below the picture. Please post again with the sizes as above. Thanks.
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Nice new tribute on Youtube showing the history of Plymouth airport. Some excellent pictures of the aircraft that have operated out of plymouth over the years and the people who have worked there. Nice job guys brings back some great memories.
Search Youtube " Plymouth Airport 1925 - 2011"
Search Youtube " Plymouth Airport 1925 - 2011"