Aer Lingus - 6

[MCDU2]

I would assume the Little Red "loss" is purely down to timing differences. Loss at the moment due to front end loading of the setup costs but over the next 2-2.5 years its all guaranteed revenue regardless of yields and load factors. And if Virgin end it early then hopefully there are breakage costs for them as well.

[EI-A330-300]

According to t*witter Aer Lingus will take over ground handling for Etihad from November. Anyone confirm?

[Hangar6]

EY EI

Seems logical , EI already do EY cargo , they code share , circusair are being bought by Swissport so maybe a change overdue . EI used to be big into
3rd party ground handling, funny how things evolve,
EI cater for Ek maybe EK will change to EI handling.

[EISNN]

Hope that it becomes a thing that goes across the board for the likes of ORK and SNN too. SNN used to have quite a big third handling operation. Would they go back into third party handling in LHR again, I wonder? That was an enormous operation.

[EI-A330-300]

1.141 million passengers in July up 2.9%, overall LF of 87.9%.

EI Regional 116,000 up 10.5%
EI Long Haul 116,000 up 17.2% LF of 91.4% - up 1.5%
EI Short Haul 909,000 up 0.4% LF of 85.9% - up 0.8%

http://corporate.aerlingus.com/media..._July_2013.pdf

[Shamrock350]

RTE social network: Aer Lingus pilots balloting for full strike action in support of Aer Arann pilots

Insane.

[Lord Lardy]

Report is incorrect.

[Shamrock350]

Here's the RTE story.

Aer Lingus pilots balloting on Aer Arann support - RTÉ News

Apparently the Aer Lingus ballot is under way this evening and will continue tonight? If that's untrue where are RTE getting their information from.

[Lord Lardy]

You can't ballot an entire pilot body in one night and if it were a case you could you must by law give 7 days notice following a ballot result for industrial action. Aer Arann are supposedly striking early next week. RTE appear to be reporting incorrect information. I'm not aware of any meeting taking place of Aer Lingus pilots tonight. Perhaps RTE are mixing the story up with an earlier report of Aer Arann pilots meeting their management for talks this evening.

[Hangar6]

Oh dear

Ok it's a rumour network but for the love of jaysus please think before you use rte Sri rtedailymail as a source I know it's hard to believe but rte know nothing about

Banks money industry aviation farming politics economics etc etc

Very surprised to see rte as a source here.... Oh , it's a rumour .....
Sri got it

[Shamrock350]

Well here's a story from the Independent, yes I know another unreliable source but they claim the ballot is due to be completed next Thursday by which time Aer Arann pilots may have already come to an agreement.

Aer Lingus pilots balloted to support Aer Arann - Independent.ie

They both might be unreliable sources and clueless when it comes to aviation matters but it seems very strange for both of them to report on a strike ballot that isn't happening at all. If it is untrue, Aer Lingus would have some strong words for them as this information has now gone out to a huge number of passengers.

[Hangar6]

Just a thought

Normally we see a select bunch of FR managers tasked with
Stirring the pot on any matter re EI or FR
Heard a rumour that allegedly Ducksie has ordered his trolls to cease
Updating pprune boards airliners etc
I do miss them tho

Don't worry rte mail and sindo circulation collapsed
When Internet started , my kids have never even held
A newspaper and both are working and if its not on book face or twatster it's not news

[MCDU2]

News to us that we are being balloted. Poor old rte research has really gone to pot. Only motion on the table is that we won't cross their picket lines. Which from a practical point of view would be very difficult (impossible) since our summer operations are being held together by Titan. We have no spare aircraft and certainly no crews to fly any of their routes anyways.

[Hangar6]

Old phrase

Picket line


Genie mac there is a phrase from the past , I wonder what the modern phrase would be...

A flash line
A pop up group

One day our industry will wonder why all those low paid staff providing low fares to the travellers and big profits for shareholders are actually outside the airport entrance refusing to work....can you imagine Ms Miley actually having to report an actual strike .? Does a journalist even have the wit to be able to report on such an event....?

Better ask the mejia for me ballot paper!

[Just a spotter]

The average industrial wage in Ireland is circa €36,000 gross. The average income is just over €40,000 gross. Remind me the pay scales for pilots in RE or EI, or for an official of IALPA for that matter.

Just over 1 in 8 of the Irish working age population is currently unemployed, nearly 1 in 4 underemployed.

If the story is true, exactly just how much public support does the union think such action would attract? "Don't cross the picket line" in support of workers employed by a separate company that supplies outsourced services to your employer ... IMHO (as a manager in the private sector and as someone for whom EI is their first choice for flights to/from this little island of ours) a completely nuts concept. I hope for the longer term future of EI's staff and shorter term for their customers, that smarter heads prevail

JAS

[ayroplain]

"Don't cross the picket line" in support of workers employed by a separate company that supplies outsourced services to your employer

Nah, the fully committed, customer focussed/friendly (described as such by another poster a few months ago) boys and girls would never do that - would they?

[rallye parachute]

Having a look on ppjn shows that half the RE lads are well below the average industrial wage.

Relating to the recent Dublin bus strike. The average bus drivers wage was in the region of €54,000 net!

[Jamie2k9]

Fair play to Aer Arann for putting all 350 staff on protective notice if pilots strike. Didn't take long for unions to come back and hold talks. Aer Arann is still loss making and staff are demanding more. Plenty of others who would happily fly RE aircraft if current staff don't want to.

Some people need to realize the current problems facing this industry.

[liffy2A]

Guys I don't post much, but I want you to know the facts. I have worked for years in Aer Arann. I had to leave because of the pay. You all can talk about average wages and the happy to have a job. The facts are it costs close to 100k privately to train as a pilot which is all self funded. Think of the repayments on that. PPJN can say what it likes about a new First Officers salary in AA is 28,000 euros with a captains at 54,000 euros. After tax an FO gets 2200 to 2300 net a captain gets 3800 to 4000 net.Now take the repayment of 1000 euros out of that for training repayments for at least 9 years and do the math.1200 to1300 for an FO per month to live in Dublin or Cork and to be within an hour of an airport for standby reasons. Aer Arann/Aerlingus want the company to be a regional like in the states, shinny new green planes with people working in Bars restaurants to make ends meat.Remember the Colgan report? Where is that company now? Most papers and Pprunes will shout shame shame ,you should be happy to have a job. Where do you draw the line? New planes coming/private company you think they are not making money with all the expansion and new aircraft? If they are not someone seriously needs to be sacked 115,000 pax a month with 12 ATRs. Starbucks UK haven't made a profit in 20 years either! People if you want professionals you got to pay a professional wage. Tell me what level of service do you want on your Aer Lingus flight? 1st world standards at 3rd world costs.

[waffler]

Well said Liffy2A.
While people are entitled to their opinion, let it be an informed opinion.