DUBLIN - 2

[EI-A330-300]

No airports north of MAN can accept any flights.

[EI-BUD]

Well what a bumpy ride into MAN, I was on LH from FRA which was diverted!
Quite a mess, looks like its going to be a long night! But at least they tell us that we will take off at 9am for DUB!

[LAX_LHR]

Id Imagine MAN will be rather overstretched now.

Night time skeleton staff (not many flights now until about 5:30am), so its done well to accept as many flights as it has done.

[EI-A330-300]

Aer Lingus have cancelled 40 flights to/from DUB today so far.

[EI-A330-300]

Airlines profit from charges, says DAA - Business News | Latest News Stories | The Irish Times - Thu, Apr 18, 2013

I expect it carrys some truth.

[Jamie2k9]

Falcon/Thomason have released their winter flights, TFS begins 1 November while SSH now back year round and TOM replace AMC.

Summer 14 will see new routes offered, all will be confirmed in June but Ibiza will be one of them.

[Jamie2k9]

Air Canada Rouge have announced that DUB-YYZ will transfer and operate year round from 1 May 2014 operated by B767-300ER. About time there was a year round YYZ service.

Latest News > DAA Welcomes New Year-Round Dublin-Toronto Service

[dublinaviator]

Good news but you'd wonder how this will effect the chances of Aer Lingus launching their own DUB-YYZ service. That said, with the amount of Irish that have emigrated to Canada there must be a fast-growing VFR market to tap into.

[VanBosh]

They aren't launching until May 2014 so EI could get in first and establish themselves over the winter but perhaps not best time to launch.

The other option is to code share and free up the capacity to add another city, what else would work from Dublin? Any demand to United's hub in Houston?

[Skipness One Echo]

That said, with the amount of Irish that have emigrated to Canada there must be a fast-growing VFR market to tap into.

The rest of the UK used to have regular flights from most regional airports, nearly all of which are no longer operated. The market literally got old and died, leaving only Air Transat and Air Canada based at LHR.
I am not convinced YYZ is a great choice for a year round leisure destination as Ireland Nov-Apr would seem an unlikely destination for what is a holiday airline.

Rouge is an odd hotch potch and there are many doubts withing Air Canada itself about exactly what it's about. Many are concerned it's a Jetstar type Trojan Horse. What's the size of the current DUB-YYZ market? Anyone know?

[Jamie2k9]

2012 passengers were 99,735
2011 passengers were 86,693

Air Canada carried just under 68,000 of those in 2012, just over 21,000 of those started in DUB and finished in YYZ, TS passengers are all O&D to YYZ. YVR second for O&D after YYZ. Many people stil go via LHR as both carriers rip people off who go direct.

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by VanBosh

The other option is to code share and free up the capacity to add another city, what else would work from Dublin? Any demand to United's hub in Houston?

Remember this is 757 capacity we're talking about here. It wouldn't have the legs to reach IAH - options are essentially northeastern US, Toronto or Montreal.

[VanBosh]

True but was an A330 not being freed up from SNN? I know it's earmarked for west coast but still no confirms?

Any idea when they will announce the fleet expansion and the routes?

[EI-BUD]

Many people stil go via LHR as both carriers rip people off who go direct

Jamie,

This is an interesting comment and I suspect the same is true to AerLingus and Ryanair ex Dublin. I was very interested to see the amount of passengers flying to Dublin Zurich last week who were going onwards to other EU destinations such as those in Italy.

I opted to fly Swiss and Lufthansa on my last 2 trips as the one stop option via Zurich and Frankfurt were actually a considerable bit cheaper...


EI-BUD

[Sober Lark]

EI BUD - I concur. Family trip to NCE this summer is with LH via FRA as it was almost €2k cheaper to fly LH than EI. Total journey times not at all as bad as one would imagine.

[EI-BUD]

Thanks Sober Lark.
I hold the view which has been challenged on here before that on many European routes ex Dublin, Aer Lingus and Ryanair have stubbornly high fares (especially when you compare with LH LX offers for e.g., or often making a DIY connnection in the UK through say EI/FR onto FR/EZY), and little appearance of any competition between the 2.

Clearly they wouldnt 'work together', I suspect they watch each other closely, and I think FR set their fares just behind EI's, makes commercial sense for them I suspect. May be good for LH/LX, but few will have access to that data. The softer indicators are that LX has increased frequency and employs 321, and LH has now almost all flights on 321. Suggests greater demand.

So glad that the take over didnt happen. For the reasons stated above.

[EI-A330-300]

Aer Lingus Regional flights moving to T2 from 1 May.

[Hangar6]

EI and EIR

This will save costs on the current bussing arrangements from T1 to T2 with servos air to CBP and far more seamless transfer for UK USA pax


A better product offering a small step but at the same time from pax view a BIG difference in perception as T1 is rather tatty .....well good enough for LH BA AF etc lol

[ayroplain]

Aer Lingus Regional flights moving to T2 from 1 May.

Surprised to hear there is any room left at T2 when some EI flights still have to depart from T1. Are they really going to park ATR's at the gates?

[Jack1985]

Surprised to hear there is any room left at T2 when some EI flights still have to depart from T1. Are they really going to park ATR's at the gates?

There are two floor-level gates which act as bus gates.