BELFAST INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT - BFS (Aldergrove)
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Roads and railways to BFS
Unfortunately this will not happen given the present economic pressures and the need for government to cut. I noticed recently that the railway from Lisburn to Antrim which runds close to BFS has had a bridge over the road removed near Lisburn, thus adding more cost to reinstatement.
What BFS needs is to compete in the market to attract more operators and routes - it is getting more and more reliant on Easy. Why did bmi move, why did baby move, why did BA pull out, why has EI not expanded in the way that was envisaged - is it down to BFS costs making marginal routes untenable?
What BFS needs is to compete in the market to attract more operators and routes - it is getting more and more reliant on Easy. Why did bmi move, why did baby move, why did BA pull out, why has EI not expanded in the way that was envisaged - is it down to BFS costs making marginal routes untenable?
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Larnaca (Begins May 2011),
Route put up on wikipedia
just as david1994 said
Route put up on wikipedia
just as david1994 said
Easyjet had reduced flights between BFS - IBZ. Will only operate once weekly now. It was twice weekly.
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The reason Bmi baby are moving down to BCA is because they were offered a good deal.BCA panicked because they caught on that BMI were on the verdge of bringing there hole operation back to BFS so they jumped in and offered to let baby land at BCA for free they didnt want to lose there LHR so offered them that deal its what some people would say an airport in desperation.
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What BFS needs is to compete in the market to attract more operators and routes - it is getting more and more reliant on Easy. Why did bmi move, why did baby move, why did BA pull out, why has EI not expanded in the way that was envisaged - is it down to BFS costs making marginal routes untenable?
Firstly, I think many have commented on this thread that NI is a limited market and the cake is only so big so any increase or surge in new services effectively carves up the business and many of the existing services would suffer.
Bmi moved at the end of 2001. Just prior to that 9/11 happened and the axe finally fell on BAs BFS LHR Operation, which they said for a long time was significantly loss making. bmi moving to my mind was the 1st big loss for BFS to BHD. Manx Airlines had operated BHD LHR some years earlier on a 4 daily 146 operation in each direction, so bmi had an idea as to how good the yield was on this route. In addition, I can imagine that BHD needed to give significant discounts to woo them over. In addition at that time BFS had now got Go and EZY with a lot of competition in the market, as well as that BFS was getting a range of new European routes that would have been an alternative to London as a leisure destination so in many ways I feel that Bmi would have seen BHD as a safer environment away from some of this competition.
For reasons already stated bmibaby moved, suggestion is that bmibaby will get massive cut in charges. When this type of info gets out it would seem that Flybe will be able to ask for the same deal. But perhaps the deal will be cuts on LHR (which no other airline operates) and standard rate on the bmibaby services.
I cant see BFS getting much let up on the rate of loss of routes to BHD hate to say it as BFS is my local airport, BFS is becoming like the PIK of Glasgow. However, on the up side, BHD has a limiting factor in space, opening hours and runway all of which may be a life line for BFS.
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BFS to rise airport charges in 2011
Passenger aircraft -
Scheduled Domestic flights - 2010 - £8.00 - 2011 charges - £8.35
All other passenger aircraft - £12.00 - 2011 charges - £12.50
Diversions - 2010 - £16.00 - 2011 charges - £17.00
Terminal Departing Passenger -
Domestic - 2010 - £10.75 - 2011 charges - £11.25
International - 2010 - £13.50 - 2011 charges - £14.10
Airbridge Charge - 2010 - £0.55 - 2011 charges - £0.60
Landing Fees and Charges - Belfast International Airport
That may of helped BmiBaby on their way to BHO. It seems that it is cheeper to fly from Dublin. The DAA haven't relased the 2011 charges but the 2010 at Dublin is still cheeper than BFS.
Belfast needs to have two different runway charges for the summer and winter just like Dublin. It is very expencive for Terminal Departing Passengers compared to Dublin.
Airport Charges
Scheduled Domestic flights - 2010 - £8.00 - 2011 charges - £8.35
All other passenger aircraft - £12.00 - 2011 charges - £12.50
Diversions - 2010 - £16.00 - 2011 charges - £17.00
Terminal Departing Passenger -
Domestic - 2010 - £10.75 - 2011 charges - £11.25
International - 2010 - £13.50 - 2011 charges - £14.10
Airbridge Charge - 2010 - £0.55 - 2011 charges - £0.60
Landing Fees and Charges - Belfast International Airport
That may of helped BmiBaby on their way to BHO. It seems that it is cheeper to fly from Dublin. The DAA haven't relased the 2011 charges but the 2010 at Dublin is still cheeper than BFS.
Belfast needs to have two different runway charges for the summer and winter just like Dublin. It is very expencive for Terminal Departing Passengers compared to Dublin.
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BFS should be a lot cheaper to fly to than Dublin.
With airlines having to pay high airport charges and £12 travel tax it makes BFS unattractive for airlines to fly there when they can pay cheaper charges at Dublin and €3 travel tax and it's only 2hours 30mins away by car as well as a good bus services and train services.
I don't blame Easyjet, Jet2 and Aer Lingus for not expanding operations at BFS.
With airlines having to pay high airport charges and £12 travel tax it makes BFS unattractive for airlines to fly there when they can pay cheaper charges at Dublin and €3 travel tax and it's only 2hours 30mins away by car as well as a good bus services and train services.
I don't blame Easyjet, Jet2 and Aer Lingus for not expanding operations at BFS.
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What bfs need is a new owner, I don't think the spanish have a clue how to look after it
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Regarding Jet2, was TFS ever on-sale for the summer? Was a rotation purposely left unfilled from BFS for the Larnaca to be fitted in later, or will this addition result in a capacity reduction to another destination? And is the 738 to be based at BFS to add capacity to the other jet2 destinations that was to be served by 733, or will it be solely used on the LCA?
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EZYs BFS-IBZ has always been 1 flight per week, atleast in the last 2 years, unless it was different this year in the booking system.. EZY is starting MLA and theres rumors of MAD and MAN, how these turn out, who knows.. but if true, id call that expanding, even if its just the MLA that runs
EI isn't expanding because of their money issues, although they are starting LPA.. now that they are recovering it wont be long.. if the market has recovered enough they may keep 3 based a/c at BFS like they used to during winter
Victoria is right, BMI was in discussions with BFS about moving their operations to BFS.. which resulted in a "deal" with bmibaby from BHD, which would have been stupid to turn down
The charges are not much, to be honest it was rumored to be more than the posted.. but now that the terminal is in a better shape airlines will probably shrug off the increase as its slowly turing into value for money.... LHRs fee increase will more than likely impact BFS-LHR and BHD-LHR as theres a change of £7-10 more last i heard in tax alone.
Yes, Abertis did make the airport unattractive for so many years, but now that they are actually improving facilities, i think they have realised.. lets hope its not too late
EI isn't expanding because of their money issues, although they are starting LPA.. now that they are recovering it wont be long.. if the market has recovered enough they may keep 3 based a/c at BFS like they used to during winter
Victoria is right, BMI was in discussions with BFS about moving their operations to BFS.. which resulted in a "deal" with bmibaby from BHD, which would have been stupid to turn down
The charges are not much, to be honest it was rumored to be more than the posted.. but now that the terminal is in a better shape airlines will probably shrug off the increase as its slowly turing into value for money.... LHRs fee increase will more than likely impact BFS-LHR and BHD-LHR as theres a change of £7-10 more last i heard in tax alone.
Yes, Abertis did make the airport unattractive for so many years, but now that they are actually improving facilities, i think they have realised.. lets hope its not too late
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Madrid
Just reading comments about MAD, I travel to Madrid about three times a year and always have to go Via GB or Dublin, I would be thrilled, but I cant see it working. Rome is questionable and in these times I am not sure that new markets like Madrid will be easy to develop.
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I see Jet2 has changed times to Lba for S11. First flight now operates ex Bfs with Bfs based aircraft, evening now operates ex Lba with Lba based aircraft. This is the opposite to what had been planned. Any ideas why or if other changes have been made?
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I see Jet2 has changed times to Lba for S11. First flight now operates ex Bfs with Bfs based aircraft, evening now operates ex Lba with Lba based aircraft. This is the opposite to what had been planned. Any ideas why or if other changes have been made?
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I think its a tour company, operates every year I think...as far as I know its bookable by anyone who wants to go, will try and find out what operator it is
Just to highlight how the Spanish have messed up so much the following airlines have been interested in BFS over the last few years:
Emirates
Delta
Air Canada
The interest is there, just the Spanish getting in the way
Just to highlight how the Spanish have messed up so much the following airlines have been interested in BFS over the last few years:
Emirates
Delta
Air Canada
The interest is there, just the Spanish getting in the way
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No doubt if the Spanish continues to run BFS the way they are it will be closed within 5 years. They mess up, lose business and then make cuts, lose more business and make more cuts. They may have "spruced up" parts of the terminal but the infrastructure is falling apart.
The cables that were damaged between the main apron and the baggage hall a few weeks ago are still dangling like a washing line, heavy cables that have now stretched and soon will be damaged beyond use and will need replaced.
The neon sign that, when lit at night, reads " Welcome To Belfa " and has done for nearly 3 months remains the same. What sort of impression does that give passengers and airlines.
These are just a couple of things that are clearly visable to the general public, that anyone can see. Can you imagine what it's like beaneath the surface.
The airport needs 10's of millions spent on it to bring it up to any sort of decent standard. The spanish will never spend that sort of money, they will however squeeze every penny thay can out of the place and spend as little as they possibly can.
God forbid, but if they do not catch themselves on and start bringing the place up to scratch somethings going to give.
The cables that were damaged between the main apron and the baggage hall a few weeks ago are still dangling like a washing line, heavy cables that have now stretched and soon will be damaged beyond use and will need replaced.
The neon sign that, when lit at night, reads " Welcome To Belfa " and has done for nearly 3 months remains the same. What sort of impression does that give passengers and airlines.
These are just a couple of things that are clearly visable to the general public, that anyone can see. Can you imagine what it's like beaneath the surface.
The airport needs 10's of millions spent on it to bring it up to any sort of decent standard. The spanish will never spend that sort of money, they will however squeeze every penny thay can out of the place and spend as little as they possibly can.
God forbid, but if they do not catch themselves on and start bringing the place up to scratch somethings going to give.
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Believe it or not the damage under the pier is just a fire cable and metal holders, those heavy duty cables are apparently undamaged, they look stretched but are not, its only due to the metal supports not being there now and the shape the cables were packed. The delay in fixing is apparently insurance
The sign has been like that since the queens visit. And the runway resurfacing cost is increasing as time goes on
The sign has been like that since the queens visit. And the runway resurfacing cost is increasing as time goes on