Flyglobespan into administration

[matkat]

4567 any interview with TD would be worthless because he would blame everyone but himself, make no mistake here e-clear is a smokescreen I know well enough his mismanagement of his airline having to sit in the boardroom up to 3 times a day and listen to it. TD was a damn good travel agent but an airline man he certainly was not.
He was more than capable of bringing the airline down all by himself with or without any influence by e-clear.

[4567]

Its a shame Rick Green was never really given a chance you know he most likely was the puppet to TD.
Its a shame the company was never floated or left by the owner to people he could entrust to run it better.

[matkat]

4567 I have to agree with you, I only worked with Rick for about 4-5 months before I left but in that time I had some good talks with him on his ideas for the way forward for the airline and at first at boardroom level TD did seem to listen however after the honeymoon period ended it was obvious that TD was back to his old ways, I can only really talk from the engineering perspective but if he had left MK.GF & DMc to get on with it and no interference from him (TD) then I hope and think from an engineering standpoint things would have been turned around, even now I still hear(and see on here) how engineering let the company down, however it was not us that contracted icelandair for the disastrous summer of 2007.

[ecj]

Had the Icelandic aircraft not appeared, then the huge loss for that year would not have occurred. There were those who pleaded with TD not to down this route. This was the start of the slippery slope?
Financial credibility now suffers with all that entails.

And when did E-clear appear on the seen ?

[matkat]

ecj, I was certainly one of those that advised him not go down this route only because the borescope reports showed definate problems with TF-TIF but as you say he was determined that was what he wanted, for the record after auditing NEOS I personaly had no issues with them and in fact had hoped they would have been back for S08 why they did not, as I have previously I have no idea.

[spinnaker]

skyman771
"Errr I doubt this ! I don't have in depth knowledge of this specific appointment"

PWC did get money for themselves, but not the GSM creditors. But yes I agree, I'm no expert either, I just know when its time to run.

Matkat
"TD was back to his old ways"

Yup, I had a front row seat. The demise of the company had nothing to do with engineering, (or eclear) but EVERYTHING to do with management at the most highest level. In all of my years sat in the front, I never once came across an engineer who did not want to do the right thing. But I did see a lot of dispirited people who knew what to do and when, but prevented buy other forces.

[matkat]

Well Spinnaker I also had a front seat so I have a fair idea who you are(out of a cast of 2) I am sure you know who I am, thanks for your kind words in reference to engineering.
Rgrds
DM

[luvly jubbly]

GSM Engineering could well come under scrutiny again....

Ethiopian Airlines ET-AMZ (Boeing 737 Next Gen) (Ex G-CEJP ) - Airfleets

[matkat]

LJ rubbish.

[luvly jubbly]

MatKat, I was GSM for the full 6 years, so I'm not having a go.
You know as well as I do that they will most likely look into maintenance history amongst other things..

LJ

[matkat]

LJ fair enough, yes I agree the A/C docs will be looked through but that does not imply that FGS engineering will be looked at, as the A/C was only handed over to Ethiopian in December all the docs will already have been scrutinised by Flyertech and Ethopian (+ILFC) prior to handover so therefore it is unlikely there will now be any FGS engineering issues, obviously not being at FGS since July 08 I have no idea what check JP went through prior to redelivery to Ethiopian but the Norm is 'C' check. So this would be the likely starting point (from an engineering issue) of course it would be normal practise to examine all maintenance documents from birth.

[4567]

Quite hard to believe i was on that a/c not so long ago Oman Air and the rest of asia had seen more of G-CEJP than FGS ever did. It was a good hybrid livery it had when it returned.

Hope the missing people are found.

[edilpa]

according to ethiopian airlines website it was ET-ANB (the ex ryanair) that crashed at BEY not ET-AMZ ex JP.

[IB4138]

The Ethiopian is ET-ANB (MSN 29935 ex Ryanair EI-CSW), which was delivered from Lasham after end of lease works on 13th September 2009.

[touch&go]

More light on the eclear affair in the Cyprus Mail today, the bit about missing files says it all.



E-Clear demise down to ?bad judgement and incompetency? - Cyprus Mail

[Phil Space]

And a good overview on E-Clear and how they brought Zoom and Flyglobespan down here;
How E-Clear tycoon Elias Elia lost £100m – and where it went - Times Online

[parkfell]

One of the oldest ploys in the book
Robbing Peter to pay Paul.

[Facelookbovvered]

The more one reads about this the less it looks like fraud and more about poor management in both companies,part of the problem stems from weak Goverment oversight in all matters financial and this has hit Scotland very hard in a number of business sectors. One has to wonder how much of it is intentional on the part of Westminster. Many viewed the threat of the SNP as the death knell for a future Labour Goverment, all the talk of tiger economy and Celtic power house was just that in the end talk.

A country (Scotland) with Europe's worst drug and alcohol abuse, poor life expectancy and high unemployment is fertile breeding ground for Labours core vote and just when the country thought it was on the up it all falls apart.

Just like the Irish as things get worse they will reject the SNP and independance and ruturn to the comfort blanket of English hand outs, with only dreams and debts to show for the desire of a National airline for Scotland. RIP Globespan

[GS John]

Anybody else see the irony that FGS folded needing about £30 million, and BA have apparently lost about that per day in 2009?

Could British Airways really go bust or not? - Times Online

and

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle7009209.ece

[suck egg mule]

Another twist in the tale

Shots fired at home of tycoon linked to Flyglobespan collapse - Scotland on Sunday