4567 I have to agree with you, I only worked with Rick for about 4-5 months before I left but in that time I had some good talks with him on his ideas for the way forward for the airline and at first at boardroom level TD did seem to listen however after the honeymoon period ended it was obvious that TD was back to his old ways, I can only really talk from the engineering perspective but if he had left MK.GF & DMc to get on with it and no interference from him (TD) then I hope and think from an engineering standpoint things would have been turned around, even now I still hear(and see on here) how engineering let the company down, however it was not us that contracted icelandair for the disastrous summer of 2007.