Flyglobespan into administration
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Crystal clear
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My memory is not hazy at all. I still have the transcripts from the litigation, documentation from MP's and the addresses of the 258 creditors owed 40 million USD and all of us who were ex Cougar employees cheated by the people who went on to form Globespan.The £128,000 paid for the AOC by the new management was a steal.Those ex Cougar staff that went on to start off Flyglobespan were all part of the scam.Dont believe that TD and all of the other directors were not complicit.
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Last night I was so angry at the demise of Flyglobespan,the sense of deja vu
that will probably allow directors to walk away free whilst the ex employees and passengers suffer, I wrote my reply totally in capitals. Apparently the web site will format the words that way if you do not take the time to preview and check your post. No matter how ugly the printed word looks an intelligent person should be able to see through this and still understand the message.
My memory is not hazy at all. I still have the transcripts from the litigation, documentation from MP's and the addresses of the 258 creditors owed 40 million USD and all of us who were ex Cougar employees cheated by the people who went on to form Globespan.The £128,000 paid for the AOC by the new management was a steal.Those ex Cougar staff that went on to start off Flyglobespan were all part of the scam.Dont believe that TD and all of the other directors were not complicit.
Spicejetter
Last night I was so angry at the demise of Flyglobespan,the sense of deja vu
that will probably allow directors to walk away free whilst the ex employees and passengers suffer, I wrote my reply totally in capitals. Apparently the web site will format the words that way if you do not take the time to preview and check your post. No matter how ugly the printed word looks an intelligent person should be able to see through this and still understand the message.
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And Flybe are offering a rescue fare over EXT or SOU:
Following today's collapse of Flyglobespan, Flybe has stepped in with a special one-off rescue fare to fly affected passengers home to Scotland.
For a one-off fare of £59.99 (€65.99) including all taxes and charges, Flybe will wherever possible make seats available on their scheduled services from Malaga, Alicante, Geneva and Chambery for Flyglobespan passengers who wish to return to Edinburgh and Glasgow via Southampton or Exeter.
Affected passengers should phone the Flybe Customer Call Centre with their Flyglobespan booking reference. This offer will also be available via Flybe ticket desks at airports.
Passengers will also need to show proof that they hold Flyglobespan bookings when they check in with Flybe
Following today's collapse of Flyglobespan, Flybe has stepped in with a special one-off rescue fare to fly affected passengers home to Scotland.
For a one-off fare of £59.99 (€65.99) including all taxes and charges, Flybe will wherever possible make seats available on their scheduled services from Malaga, Alicante, Geneva and Chambery for Flyglobespan passengers who wish to return to Edinburgh and Glasgow via Southampton or Exeter.
Affected passengers should phone the Flybe Customer Call Centre with their Flyglobespan booking reference. This offer will also be available via Flybe ticket desks at airports.
Passengers will also need to show proof that they hold Flyglobespan bookings when they check in with Flybe
Only Pilots and CC??
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While I admire your generosity and empathy, surely there are others just as badly affected by the GSM failure. I have several friends and ex colleagues in the Enginering Maintenance Control department for example. Surely they deserve support too.
By the way, I tried to send this as a PM to you but you have it disabled!
While I admire your generosity and empathy, surely there are others just as badly affected by the GSM failure. I have several friends and ex colleagues in the Enginering Maintenance Control department for example. Surely they deserve support too.
By the way, I tried to send this as a PM to you but you have it disabled!
niceguy you may have a point
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Domino effect
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You have a point. BCT, the company that employes the engineers for Globespan, are going to have to make their staff redundant as they only did GSM at Edi. TCR, the company that Alba leased the vehicles & equipment from, are going to feel it too.
You have a point. BCT, the company that employes the engineers for Globespan, are going to have to make their staff redundant as they only did GSM at Edi. TCR, the company that Alba leased the vehicles & equipment from, are going to feel it too.
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Have heard from "a source in The City" that Halcyon/E-Clear are currently trying to mount a "rescue bid". The deal may complete within hours. Apparently, there are regular flights to Paphos.
Sounds like rubbish to me....
Sounds like rubbish to me....
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To all the GSM staff here.
Tough break and I do wish you all well and a speedy employ. Enough has been said about the time of year.............
It has been 5 years since I was last in this boat, but as it was a nice close knit 'family' airline that went bump on me overnight, I think I felt the same loss as you.
I am sorry if things have changed since 2004, but I hope it helps:
1/ PWC 'should' advise and help you claim all that is due from HMG, lost salary, proven per diems and expenses etc. Untaken holiday pay included. It is capped though if I remember correctly.
2/ Notice period, again, capped.
3/ Not sure if it is still valid, but we were then advised to seek an Industrial Tribunal for lack of consultation, which was awarded as a protected payment.
This was done en-mass via the internet, sorry I do not have the link.
When duo failed, the administrator also approved 'limited' and 'controlled' Company Credit Card payments to 'repatriate' staff to base.
None of this, alas, will help you today or next Monday, but at duo we certainly received one payment on the next payday, but we had also been payed salary to date.
Good luck and God speed to each of you finding new employment, there is a world out there, as bad as it seems now, today is a new start.
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It has been 5 years since I was last in this boat, but as it was a nice close knit 'family' airline that went bump on me overnight, I think I felt the same loss as you.
I am sorry if things have changed since 2004, but I hope it helps:
1/ PWC 'should' advise and help you claim all that is due from HMG, lost salary, proven per diems and expenses etc. Untaken holiday pay included. It is capped though if I remember correctly.
2/ Notice period, again, capped.
3/ Not sure if it is still valid, but we were then advised to seek an Industrial Tribunal for lack of consultation, which was awarded as a protected payment.
This was done en-mass via the internet, sorry I do not have the link.
When duo failed, the administrator also approved 'limited' and 'controlled' Company Credit Card payments to 'repatriate' staff to base.
None of this, alas, will help you today or next Monday, but at duo we certainly received one payment on the next payday, but we had also been payed salary to date.
Good luck and God speed to each of you finding new employment, there is a world out there, as bad as it seems now, today is a new start.
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Spinnaker do you know me? I was there from April 2007 to June 2008 I cannot think who you are but we have obviously met, without puting my name down When you came out of the lift on the first floor I sat in the L/H corner PM me if you are more comfortable, oh and I agree 100% about what you said about KN at the end he had had enough hence he walked away though TD would say otherwise.
Turin, if your friends were the very same that took the jobs of the people at Colinton in May/June 2008 they do not have any of my sympathy as they had none for the people they were ousting at that time slagging them of as incompetent and how they could do the job much better well it is obvious now that they could not and for CHu. well it could not have happened to a nicer guy, we warned you all at the time so now you really see what comes around goes around.
So for the Manchester Mafia thats TX and now FGS, maybe this time you should stick to the gardening leave.
I hope that all staff manage to get things sorted, the Mafia I could not care less in fact it could not have happened to a nicer bunch (Dave F AKA Irish Dave excepted)
Turin, if your friends were the very same that took the jobs of the people at Colinton in May/June 2008 they do not have any of my sympathy as they had none for the people they were ousting at that time slagging them of as incompetent and how they could do the job much better well it is obvious now that they could not and for CHu. well it could not have happened to a nicer guy, we warned you all at the time so now you really see what comes around goes around.
So for the Manchester Mafia thats TX and now FGS, maybe this time you should stick to the gardening leave.
I hope that all staff manage to get things sorted, the Mafia I could not care less in fact it could not have happened to a nicer bunch (Dave F AKA Irish Dave excepted)
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My sincere sympathies - Been there, done that!!
Firstly, Niceguy I have to totally endorse your statement. Sadly there are too many employees in this business that do think it it simply a game and one big nightstop party. It is an incredibly tough business involving massess amounts of money. Management having to put in countless numbers of hours to keep things going, especially when your back is against the wall. No comfy hotels in far away places. Just hard hours in the office or late at night at home. - Thankless YES, and the moans and groans to go with it. I don't do it myself, but I appreciate those that do.
My sincere sympathy goes out to the crews that worked at Globespan. It is a sh*t time of year for this to happen, but any time is bad.
I know exactly what you are going through, as I experienced the same just over a year ago. It is devastating. I feel for the passengers both stranded and those who will not travel, as I indeed I felt for all of my airline's customers. However, at the end of the day, they have only lost a holiday / flight. They can go back to work and have a moan about the situation. For the Globespan staff, they have no job, there is no one to pick up the pieces, and if both you and your partner work for the SAME airline, problems are even more serious.
It takes time to get over it. I am still not over last years collapse, and totally hate where I am at present, but bills have to be paid.
What concerns me is that this is so bad for the airline industry. Of course we need to have profitable airlines, but this latest collapse only seems to strengthen the likes of the low cost carriers Easyjet and Ryanair. They are getting a strangle hold on the industry, which is not good for anyone - not even the passengers. Thomson are in a tight spot, with redundancies looming, which is scary.
Unfortunately the economic situation dictates that too many people will foregore any sense of dignity and travel on Ryanair and Easyjet, scrambling for an undesignated seat, and sit for hours like dummies in cabins with nothing to do, crammed full of luggage in overhead bins because they won't pay for hold luggage. It's their choice I know!
But until more people sit up and say I want to be treated like a civilised human being this will continue. It will add more and more power to the likes of Ryanair and Easyjet, and in turn they will turn their sights onto the likes of Jet 2, Thomson Airways etc.
I did not want this to turn into a rant about the two low cost airlines mentioned, but with the loss of Silverjet, Zoom, Futura, XL, Globespan this does not bode well for the airline industry. I sincerely hope that this is the last of the collapses.
I wish all of the Globespan staff well for the future. To wish you a Happy Christmas seems awfully sour, but I do hope each of you have success in finding new employment in this difficult time. There is a world out there, as bad as it seems now - Good Luck!
My very best wishes.
My sincere sympathy goes out to the crews that worked at Globespan. It is a sh*t time of year for this to happen, but any time is bad.
I know exactly what you are going through, as I experienced the same just over a year ago. It is devastating. I feel for the passengers both stranded and those who will not travel, as I indeed I felt for all of my airline's customers. However, at the end of the day, they have only lost a holiday / flight. They can go back to work and have a moan about the situation. For the Globespan staff, they have no job, there is no one to pick up the pieces, and if both you and your partner work for the SAME airline, problems are even more serious.
It takes time to get over it. I am still not over last years collapse, and totally hate where I am at present, but bills have to be paid.
What concerns me is that this is so bad for the airline industry. Of course we need to have profitable airlines, but this latest collapse only seems to strengthen the likes of the low cost carriers Easyjet and Ryanair. They are getting a strangle hold on the industry, which is not good for anyone - not even the passengers. Thomson are in a tight spot, with redundancies looming, which is scary.
Unfortunately the economic situation dictates that too many people will foregore any sense of dignity and travel on Ryanair and Easyjet, scrambling for an undesignated seat, and sit for hours like dummies in cabins with nothing to do, crammed full of luggage in overhead bins because they won't pay for hold luggage. It's their choice I know!
But until more people sit up and say I want to be treated like a civilised human being this will continue. It will add more and more power to the likes of Ryanair and Easyjet, and in turn they will turn their sights onto the likes of Jet 2, Thomson Airways etc.
I did not want this to turn into a rant about the two low cost airlines mentioned, but with the loss of Silverjet, Zoom, Futura, XL, Globespan this does not bode well for the airline industry. I sincerely hope that this is the last of the collapses.
I wish all of the Globespan staff well for the future. To wish you a Happy Christmas seems awfully sour, but I do hope each of you have success in finding new employment in this difficult time. There is a world out there, as bad as it seems now - Good Luck!
My very best wishes.
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What Might Have Been
.........Dalrymple becomes most enthused and animated when talking about his fleet. He shows me a series of models of the various Boeing aircraft that his airline flies, which are generally leased from International Lease Finance Corp (ILFC), GE Commercial Aviation Services (GECAS) and CIT Aerospace.
His eyes light up as he handles a model of the Boeing 787 Dreamliner - a sleek, super-efficient long-range aircraft made from the same composite material as the Stealth bomber. The aircraft will be capable of flying 9,700 miles at a stretch, meaning it could fly non-stop from Scottish airports to the east coast of Australia.
Dalrymple has leased two of these revolutionary new planes from ILFC for 2010 delivery. “Since we are a point-to-point airline, leasing these planes was a no-brainer for me.” It seems likely they will serve the Glasgow to Vancouver and Glasgow to Orlando routes
SUNDAY TIMES ...
His eyes light up as he handles a model of the Boeing 787 Dreamliner - a sleek, super-efficient long-range aircraft made from the same composite material as the Stealth bomber. The aircraft will be capable of flying 9,700 miles at a stretch, meaning it could fly non-stop from Scottish airports to the east coast of Australia.
Dalrymple has leased two of these revolutionary new planes from ILFC for 2010 delivery. “Since we are a point-to-point airline, leasing these planes was a no-brainer for me.” It seems likely they will serve the Glasgow to Vancouver and Glasgow to Orlando routes
SUNDAY TIMES ...
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I worked for KN in a previous engineering life. Good bloke to work for but wasn't afraid to hold back either. Wasn't aware he wasn't at GSM anymore. I still drive by his house everyday too. Good luck to all flight crew and ground crew affected.
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I am just an ordinary passenger who has been critical of GSMs punctuality and scheduling in the past here but am genuinely 100% sorry to see it go - I only flew with them a few times from EDI to AGP and must say the service on board was as good as any airline I have flown with . I will never ever go Lyinair . A relative came back to Scotland with them recently as she could not get a GSM flight and says she was shocked at the cheap nasty interior and everyone being ripped off with baggage - and I mean everyone . FR are one airline I would like to see go bust .
I am disgusted at FRs patronising tone " you are an idiot for not flying with a viable airline " - well I think these words will come back to haunt them in a few years .
I am disgusted at FRs patronising tone " you are an idiot for not flying with a viable airline " - well I think these words will come back to haunt them in a few years .
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I'm certain we were probably not there at the same time. I left after about 18 months or maybe a year after the airline started up. I was in the office at stn when KN came bounding in announcing that we had an AOC. I was supposed to have been positioning the first -300 but found myself shoving pages into ops manuals instead (the aeroplane was broke). I hadn't flown a -300 for a couple of years and my line training started at 0900 and finished by tea time, including the line check itself. I hadn't enjoyed flying that much since year nineteen canteen. I had a pretty good time helping getting the show on the road, but it soon turns sour, which it did. I know what you mean about the feeling we have met though.
I'm certain we were probably not there at the same time. I left after about 18 months or maybe a year after the airline started up. I was in the office at stn when KN came bounding in announcing that we had an AOC. I was supposed to have been positioning the first -300 but found myself shoving pages into ops manuals instead (the aeroplane was broke). I hadn't flown a -300 for a couple of years and my line training started at 0900 and finished by tea time, including the line check itself. I hadn't enjoyed flying that much since year nineteen canteen. I had a pretty good time helping getting the show on the road, but it soon turns sour, which it did. I know what you mean about the feeling we have met though.
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Another sad day in aviation.Best of luck to all of the staff at Globespan and I hope you all find employment elsewhere asap.
Maybe this will be a wake up call for Unite and BA cabin crew..
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Thank You
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Thank you, as I have just had to sign on for the first time in my life.
You help is appreciated, and speaking for myself, thank you to all those who have expressed concern.
My thoughts go out to all my colleagues stranded in some strange places.
CMO
Thank you, as I have just had to sign on for the first time in my life.
You help is appreciated, and speaking for myself, thank you to all those who have expressed concern.
My thoughts go out to all my colleagues stranded in some strange places.
CMO
Just a numbered other
david.craigposted on page 1:
Therein lies the huge problem facing an industry that eats cash at an alarming rate, chasing the slimest of margins.
Until the travelling public cease thinking that it's reasonable to pay less to fly to Spain than the taxi fare to the aiport there'll be more GSMs
So sorry for the people affected, specially you Littleblue. Good luck
Lets hope people are smart enough to check the usual fare first. It would certinally be my first instinct, I couldnt imagine paying 89 Euros with Ryanair. Not knocking them, I use them frequently, but never at that price!
Until the travelling public cease thinking that it's reasonable to pay less to fly to Spain than the taxi fare to the aiport there'll be more GSMs
So sorry for the people affected, specially you Littleblue. Good luck
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My last single flight with GSM was around €46. The taxi from EDI to centre of town is around £18. This takes about 40 mins.
Here in Spain, if I took a taxi from AGP to my casa it would be another 40 mins journey but cost is set at €120 - go figure!
Once again, 'best of Scottish' to all the good people [formerly] at GSM.
Take care guys and gals. It was a blast flying with you...
Here in Spain, if I took a taxi from AGP to my casa it would be another 40 mins journey but cost is set at €120 - go figure!
Once again, 'best of Scottish' to all the good people [formerly] at GSM.
Take care guys and gals. It was a blast flying with you...
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I feel so sorry for the staff who tried to do their best despite the "upper floor" rantings. It's particularly tough at this time of year as there are too few positions out there being chased after by too many good people.
Get to the jobcentre now and start the ball rolling. The odds are they will not find you a job but at least you may get some benefits to tide you over.
Best of luck to all.
Get to the jobcentre now and start the ball rolling. The odds are they will not find you a job but at least you may get some benefits to tide you over.
Best of luck to all.