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In answer to your last post and the statement made by Night_Fr8, please answer the following.
1. If you were able to obtain a discount on an Item or Items Would you take it ?
2. As a Manager would you not try and obtain the best deals, using standard business practices. Thus reducing Your costs ?
3. Why do you appear to hate RYR ?
I would be very happy in obtaining any product at a reduced cost which would enhance the profitability of my company.
Manufacturers are not charities and they have a bottom line price for the sale of their products, all the rest being increased profit.
In bad times margins are lower, in good margins can be significantly higher enhancing profitability. But a profit is always made or the manufacturer will go bust.
In answer to your last post and the statement made by Night_Fr8, please answer the following.
1. If you were able to obtain a discount on an Item or Items Would you take it ?
2. As a Manager would you not try and obtain the best deals, using standard business practices. Thus reducing Your costs ?
3. Why do you appear to hate RYR ?
I would be very happy in obtaining any product at a reduced cost which would enhance the profitability of my company.
Manufacturers are not charities and they have a bottom line price for the sale of their products, all the rest being increased profit.
In bad times margins are lower, in good margins can be significantly higher enhancing profitability. But a profit is always made or the manufacturer will go bust.
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Forgive me if it's been revealed somewhere, but I don't think MOL has ever said what he paid for his last 737s.
Industry talk says he didn't get a knock down price, simply because there was no competition. He wanted a single-manufacturer fleet.
Same sources say EZY got a much better deal on their Airbuses by making the manufacturers compete.
Industry talk says he didn't get a knock down price, simply because there was no competition. He wanted a single-manufacturer fleet.
Same sources say EZY got a much better deal on their Airbuses by making the manufacturers compete.
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Same sources say EZY got a much better deal on their Airbuses by making the manufacturers compete.
On the subject of EZY getting a better deal on the Airbus models, the other side of this is that the cost to the business in terms of conversion and disruption to a new type has been a big focus for the firm (i realise that Airbus paid for the conversion training). For the 1st few years the move to Airbus was very consuming and has to have had some cost implications? Put this aside the other issue on the 319 is the issue of 156 seats and 4 cabin crew, as oppossed to Ryanair with 189 seats and also 4 cabin crew, unit costs and all that.
It is very difficult to say which type is overall cost effective without knowing all the variables?
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Sorry WestonFlyer to hear about your friend at Sky Europe but was he out of his head working for a company for a year without pay hoping that things would pick up. Even though he could afford it you dont do charity work for for your employer - no pay no work. Do charity work for genuine charities i.e RNLI, Oxfam etc but never for your employer - just take advantage.
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True. It's honourable to accept a temporary pay-cut for a short time, or something like that. If you help your company, and in turn your company would show gratitude towards you (huahaha!), it would be a fair deal.
It "would be", in an ideal world.
You don't believe that? So why don't you write a letter to Jason Bitter, asking him if he would now help you finding a new job, and if he lends you some cash meanwhile? As a friend?
I doubt he would even care to answer (even if he remembered your name, that is).
Did Jason actually just bother to shake your friend's hand, in appreciation for one year's worth of work, before he ran off?
To work for free, or for absolute peanuts for such a long time, is just simply ridiculous.
If your friend had insisted on what was his right, he might have lost his job a few months earlier, but at least he would have received a salary until then - so in the end his financial loss would have been less. Now this way he got nothing at all.
And it is not just his own problem, because it's pilots like him who are willing to accept anything from their company, that lead to an erosion of everybody else's salaries too.
I hope your friend finds a new job soon, and that he is more professional this time.
It "would be", in an ideal world.
You don't believe that? So why don't you write a letter to Jason Bitter, asking him if he would now help you finding a new job, and if he lends you some cash meanwhile? As a friend?
I doubt he would even care to answer (even if he remembered your name, that is).
Did Jason actually just bother to shake your friend's hand, in appreciation for one year's worth of work, before he ran off?
To work for free, or for absolute peanuts for such a long time, is just simply ridiculous.
If your friend had insisted on what was his right, he might have lost his job a few months earlier, but at least he would have received a salary until then - so in the end his financial loss would have been less. Now this way he got nothing at all.
And it is not just his own problem, because it's pilots like him who are willing to accept anything from their company, that lead to an erosion of everybody else's salaries too.
I hope your friend finds a new job soon, and that he is more professional this time.
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NightFire, I see you really miss our company. Me too. Even you hadn't worked for some time -I believe, you keep writing a lot about SEA here. Maybe even we had a chance to fly together? Just PM if you want.
You know, the problem is that there is no job for FOs on the market at all. Me personally started sending applications last year in Nov. No result at all.
The company since Jan at least was giving us free OPCs and with each our flown chances to get a job were increasing. This was the only reason most of us kept working... Believe me or not till the very end we had a chance to make it at least till the end of the year. For many it meant getting thorugh 1500h, 500PIC or for some 3000h B737. It's another chance to get more options on the maket in the meantime sending out applications... And it was not for free, it was for 50% salary- the money which for most of the people was a dream.
It so easy to understand.
You know, the problem is that there is no job for FOs on the market at all. Me personally started sending applications last year in Nov. No result at all.
The company since Jan at least was giving us free OPCs and with each our flown chances to get a job were increasing. This was the only reason most of us kept working... Believe me or not till the very end we had a chance to make it at least till the end of the year. For many it meant getting thorugh 1500h, 500PIC or for some 3000h B737. It's another chance to get more options on the maket in the meantime sending out applications... And it was not for free, it was for 50% salary- the money which for most of the people was a dream.
It so easy to understand.
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Sky Europe suspends operations.
From their website...
Dear Guests
Please be advised that SkyEurope has suspended its sales and operations immediately.
Those of you who have purchased flights with a credit card, please turn to your credit card issuing bank to seek refunds for unused portions of SkyEurope's flights.
In case you have paid directly to SkyEurope in other means than credit card (e.g. bank transfer, cash), please be advised that a refund may not be possible.
If you have ordered your flight tickets via a travel agency or organizer, you should discuss the matter with them first.
If you are already at the destination or have rented a car through SkyEurope's business partner, you may stay at the hotel and use the vehicle during the period originally agreed. You must, however, order a return flight from some other airline at your own expense.
You may also wish to contact your insurance provider to seek further guidance and support.
We regret for the inconvenience that have been caused to you.
Please be advised that SkyEurope has suspended its sales and operations immediately.
Those of you who have purchased flights with a credit card, please turn to your credit card issuing bank to seek refunds for unused portions of SkyEurope's flights.
In case you have paid directly to SkyEurope in other means than credit card (e.g. bank transfer, cash), please be advised that a refund may not be possible.
If you have ordered your flight tickets via a travel agency or organizer, you should discuss the matter with them first.
If you are already at the destination or have rented a car through SkyEurope's business partner, you may stay at the hotel and use the vehicle during the period originally agreed. You must, however, order a return flight from some other airline at your own expense.
You may also wish to contact your insurance provider to seek further guidance and support.
We regret for the inconvenience that have been caused to you.
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errr...they have been since the 1st. More here: http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airpo...-bussines.html
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Mandl speaks out
The SkyEurope founder, musing on what went wrong
EurActiv.com - SkyEurope founder: Hedge funds to blame for collapse of airline | EU - European Information on Enterprise & Jobs
EurActiv.com - SkyEurope founder: Hedge funds to blame for collapse of airline | EU - European Information on Enterprise & Jobs
So what went wrong?
In my opinion, the hedge fund that took control of SkyEurope and the loyal but incompetent management they appointed decided to implement the exact opposite strategy to the one I had been pursuing: they offered the Hungarian and Polish markets to our competitor Wizz Air, although our Krakow base was our best performer, and started a significant downsizing of the fleet.
During the last two years, nothing new was built, but everything that had existed was destroyed, the only exception being the strong company culture that lasted till the very end. Our attempts to find an honourable exit for our financial shareholder - which lacked aviation experience - failed, as they could not agree on a price with Air Berlin and Lauda's FlyNiki joint venture in Austria, which had expressed serious interest.
In my opinion, the hedge fund that took control of SkyEurope and the loyal but incompetent management they appointed decided to implement the exact opposite strategy to the one I had been pursuing: they offered the Hungarian and Polish markets to our competitor Wizz Air, although our Krakow base was our best performer, and started a significant downsizing of the fleet.
During the last two years, nothing new was built, but everything that had existed was destroyed, the only exception being the strong company culture that lasted till the very end. Our attempts to find an honourable exit for our financial shareholder - which lacked aviation experience - failed, as they could not agree on a price with Air Berlin and Lauda's FlyNiki joint venture in Austria, which had expressed serious interest.
