BMI Regional
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: uk
Posts: 182
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
BMI Regional
Does anyone know what is going on with the BMI regional take over by flybe? Last I heard things were going through due diligence. Anyone got any updates?
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Heathrow
Age: 38
Posts: 69
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
This is a confusing thread title, I suggest you change it. Flybe are not taking over bmi Regional, not yet anyway.
Personally I can't see it happening, although I might be wrong. If bmir are in trouble then it will probably be in Flybe's favour to simply let them go to the wall without lifting a finger, harsh as it may seem, but thats business.
Mind you i've heard from a few guys that bmir are doing ok (ish) currently, but we shall see. 2009 will be interesting...
Personally I can't see it happening, although I might be wrong. If bmir are in trouble then it will probably be in Flybe's favour to simply let them go to the wall without lifting a finger, harsh as it may seem, but thats business.
Mind you i've heard from a few guys that bmir are doing ok (ish) currently, but we shall see. 2009 will be interesting...
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Dublin
Posts: 1,806
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Well Im not so sure that reporting the worst profits in its history last month would constitute as doing "ok(ish)"! More like doing rather dire!!! But having said that they are softly cushioned by Lufty at present who I am sure will guide them safely through the recession albeit with a fare bit of therapy in the process. First gone I reckon will be BMI Baby followed soon after by Regional and quite possible the three 330's!
BMI Regional now do quite a substantial proportion of their business as contracts for BMI Mainline, flying Embraers out of Heathrow to several of the established BMI destinations, including weekend work to main trunk places like Glasgow.
Given that FlyBe is part-owned by BA I can't see them continuing to do that in competition to BA so it would all have to be unravelled.
Given that FlyBe is part-owned by BA I can't see them continuing to do that in competition to BA so it would all have to be unravelled.
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: London
Posts: 523
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Quoting WHBM - BMI Regional now do quite a substantial proportion of their business as contracts for BMI Mainline, flying Embraers out of Heathrow to several of the established BMI destinations, including weekend work to main trunk places like Glasgow.
Given that FlyBe is part-owned by BA I can't see them continuing to do that in competition to BA so it would all have to be unravelled. Unquote
Wouldn't be the first time that a BMA subsidiary operated for a BA subsidiary would it?
British Regional was owned by Michael Bishop yet flew as a BA franchise!
Given that FlyBe is part-owned by BA I can't see them continuing to do that in competition to BA so it would all have to be unravelled. Unquote
Wouldn't be the first time that a BMA subsidiary operated for a BA subsidiary would it?
British Regional was owned by Michael Bishop yet flew as a BA franchise!
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: More than a tank of fuel away from home.
Posts: 106
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
reporting the worst profits in its history last month
With a new airframe just joined in the last 2 months and now rumours of at least 3 new routes to Germany and possibly another new airframe....your facts just don't add up.
There is certainly no Flybe takeover in the pipeline....!
Regional is still (and has been for a long time) the best performing section of the BMI group. Uk's number 1 for ontime departures. The worlds best dispatch reliability rate of the EMB 135/145.....and the most profitable!
The only thing holding Regional back is BMI's inability to actually advertise an airline!! Free rides on trains????, Travel by road and the traffic lights all go green??????? and now boring bar charts......not one of these adverts actually explains to customers that BMI is a blinking AIRLINE!!!!!!
What a complete waste of money!
Try the new Virgin advert for size.......that's much more like it!
SSS
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: overthere
Posts: 41
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The only thing holding Regional back is BMI's inability to actually advertise an airline!! Free rides on trains????, Travel by road and the traffic lights all go green??????? and now boring bar charts......not one of these adverts actually explains to customers that BMI is a blinking AIRLINE!!!!!!
amen brother
amen brother
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: uk
Posts: 145
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Any idea of which destinations in Germany are rumoured, and from which bases. Would this be feed routes for Lufty long haul maybe?
Last edited by woofly31; 12th Jan 2009 at 11:58.
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: More than a tank of fuel away from home.
Posts: 106
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Uk's number 1 for ontime departures.
Beg to differ it used to be, Eastern took that mantle
Beg to differ it used to be, Eastern took that mantle
Err, sorry....not so I'm affraid;
FLIGHTONTIME.info - Scheduled Airline Delays & Punctuality in the UK
Fourth year in row for Regional.
Eastern have held the title for Birmingham and Newcastle (but Regional don't operate there!) and occasionally hit the spot if you look at monthly figures, but Regional is overall most punctual airline for the last four years.
Any idea of which destinations in Germany are rumoured, and from from which bases. Would this be feed routes for Lufty long haul maybe?
Seems that Frankfurt is favourite at the moment from LBA, MAN and maybe Scotland somewhere, most probably for Lufty. This is, hopefully, only the start of Regional becoming a major Lufty Feeder for both Frankfurt and Heathrow.
SSS
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Barton Upon Humber
Posts: 1,984
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Considering both MAN and EDI-FRA are currently operate by LH mainline, a downgrade to a regional ERJ-145 would be a huge cut in capacity, even if an extra frequency was added
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: East Yorkshire
Posts: 453
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
STOP STOP STOP
Not all of the time they were not!!!
Eastern Airways Rated UK’s Most Punctual Airline July 2008
UK regional airline, Eastern Airways has been named the UK’s most punctual scheduled airline.
The independent carrier, which operates from 18 airports, has stepped up to the number one spot for the start of this year after it was second overall in the UK in 2007. The airline was ahead of Air Berlin, bmi regional, Brussels Airlines, bmibaby and Ryanair.
Civil Aviation Authority data released from on-line aviation analysts, Flightontime.info, revealed that over 89% of Eastern Airways services departed within 15 minutes and any delays experienced were on average just over 6 minutes during the period of January to March 2008
UK regional airline, Eastern Airways has been named the UK’s most punctual scheduled airline.
The independent carrier, which operates from 18 airports, has stepped up to the number one spot for the start of this year after it was second overall in the UK in 2007. The airline was ahead of Air Berlin, bmi regional, Brussels Airlines, bmibaby and Ryanair.
Civil Aviation Authority data released from on-line aviation analysts, Flightontime.info, revealed that over 89% of Eastern Airways services departed within 15 minutes and any delays experienced were on average just over 6 minutes during the period of January to March 2008
Eastern's figures on that front are somewhat disingenuous, and I'm sure they know it.
The CAA data monitors only certain airports and I think the only two points on the Eastern network at which punctuality is monitored by the CAA are BHX and NCL. It covers a tiny proportion of its flights.
On the other hand, bmir are monitored at EDI, GLA, MAN which is probably at least half of its total operation.
So yes, Eastern can make the claim - but it's hardly worth the paper it's written on.
The CAA data monitors only certain airports and I think the only two points on the Eastern network at which punctuality is monitored by the CAA are BHX and NCL. It covers a tiny proportion of its flights.
On the other hand, bmir are monitored at EDI, GLA, MAN which is probably at least half of its total operation.
So yes, Eastern can make the claim - but it's hardly worth the paper it's written on.
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: More than a tank of fuel away from home.
Posts: 106
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
STOP STOP STOP
Quote:
Eastern Airways Rated UK’s Most Punctual Airline July 2008
UK regional airline, Eastern Airways has been named the UK’s most punctual scheduled airline.
The independent carrier, which operates from 18 airports, has stepped up to the number one spot for the start of this year after it was second overall in the UK in 2007. The airline was ahead of Air Berlin, bmi regional, Brussels Airlines, bmibaby and Ryanair.
Civil Aviation Authority data released from on-line aviation analysts, Flightontime.info, revealed that over 89% of Eastern Airways services departed within 15 minutes and any delays experienced were on average just over 6 minutes during the period of January to March 2008
Not all of the time they were not!!!
Quote:
Eastern Airways Rated UK’s Most Punctual Airline July 2008
UK regional airline, Eastern Airways has been named the UK’s most punctual scheduled airline.
The independent carrier, which operates from 18 airports, has stepped up to the number one spot for the start of this year after it was second overall in the UK in 2007. The airline was ahead of Air Berlin, bmi regional, Brussels Airlines, bmibaby and Ryanair.
Civil Aviation Authority data released from on-line aviation analysts, Flightontime.info, revealed that over 89% of Eastern Airways services departed within 15 minutes and any delays experienced were on average just over 6 minutes during the period of January to March 2008
Not all of the time they were not!!!
Considering both MAN and EDI-FRA are currently operate by LH mainline, a downgrade to a regional ERJ-145 would be a huge cut in capacity, even if an extra frequency was added
Just like BMI Mainline exchanging its LHR bound Airbuses for 135's and 145's on ABZ, LBA, MME and occasionally on EDI, GLA and MAN! BMI don't seem to be trying to cater for the PAX but purely seem to try to turn a profit. Seeing as Lufty have been on the BMI board of directors for the past 10 years I think that this philosophy may continue for a little while yet.
Anyway, who is to say that the 145's will operate those routes??? (Stir, Stir!!!)
SSS
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: uk
Posts: 145
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Any further talk of what will happen to the Aircraft being pulled out of Heathrow? If an another aircraft is rumoured in the pipeline, would this be to replace one of the two rumoured to go back to the lessors?
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: More than a tank of fuel away from home.
Posts: 106
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
It seems likely that one ex-LHR aircraft will go into LBA (five in total!) and one maybe into MAN or GLA. Both to have a stab at a German route.
There are over 5 Capts away from LBA on Secondment at the mo. If or when that ends in March then LBA will automatically have the crew for another unit.
A few Capts requesting base changes to MAN, so crewing that one would pretty easy too. There are always F/o's willing to change bases as well.
I have to say, I think the main reason the two aircraft are rumoured to go 'back' are because of costly leases. Buying the aircraft right back off the Lessors would save the company Ten's of thousands a month.
(As for the company spreading the nasty 'redunandancy' rumour, that just gives credibility to the whole "we don't need so many aircraft" story and lowers the value of said aircraft!)
There are over 5 Capts away from LBA on Secondment at the mo. If or when that ends in March then LBA will automatically have the crew for another unit.
A few Capts requesting base changes to MAN, so crewing that one would pretty easy too. There are always F/o's willing to change bases as well.
I have to say, I think the main reason the two aircraft are rumoured to go 'back' are because of costly leases. Buying the aircraft right back off the Lessors would save the company Ten's of thousands a month.
(As for the company spreading the nasty 'redunandancy' rumour, that just gives credibility to the whole "we don't need so many aircraft" story and lowers the value of said aircraft!)