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(one suspects this will also impact flights into Finland that don't connect onto ay)
Finnair will no longer check luggage through to final destinations if passengers' connecting flights are handled by a competitor, reports the daily Helsingin Sanomat.
The decision will affect hundreds of thousands of travellers in Finland each year.
Passengers will have to re-check their luggage in connecting cities, if their connecting flight is not Finnair or one of its partners. For instance, travellers flying with Finnair from Joensuu to Helsinki will have to re-check their bags in Helsinki, if they have a connecting flight with a Finnair competitor. They will also need to go through security checks again.
http://www.yle.fi/news/left/id54597.html
Finnair will no longer check luggage through to final destinations if passengers' connecting flights are handled by a competitor, reports the daily Helsingin Sanomat.
The decision will affect hundreds of thousands of travellers in Finland each year.
Passengers will have to re-check their luggage in connecting cities, if their connecting flight is not Finnair or one of its partners. For instance, travellers flying with Finnair from Joensuu to Helsinki will have to re-check their bags in Helsinki, if they have a connecting flight with a Finnair competitor. They will also need to go through security checks again.
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FINNAIR
FINNAIR 'Fly in the Right Direction" Quote
In Sunday South China Morning Post Magazine a quotation from Kati Ihamaki 'VP of Sustainable Development of Finnair'
"To improve environmental impact Finnair is is investing in a
new fleet.........................
Equally important is fly the shortest way and always in the right
direction "
Is this for real ?????????????
In Sunday South China Morning Post Magazine a quotation from Kati Ihamaki 'VP of Sustainable Development of Finnair'
"To improve environmental impact Finnair is is investing in a
new fleet.........................
Equally important is fly the shortest way and always in the right
direction "
Is this for real ?????????????
Makes sense to me.
Finnair are marketing by making the point that from Asia to Europe you route pretty much over Finland anyway, and a connection there is not too much of a dog-leg.
There are an increasing number of itineraries for pax nowadays which are offered on surprisingly indirect routes, most notably from or in the US, where the concept that a carrier's limited number of hubs can offer anywhere-to-anywhere journeys means I have met those who journeyed New York to London through Charlotte NC, Albany NY to Washington through Detroit, Seattle to London through Dallas, and a range of other grossly excessive mileage routes.
Presumably Finnair are aiming at passengers being sold routings from Hong Kong to Northern Europe through the Gulf.
OK, point covered, this one can go to the passenger forum now.
Finnair are marketing by making the point that from Asia to Europe you route pretty much over Finland anyway, and a connection there is not too much of a dog-leg.
There are an increasing number of itineraries for pax nowadays which are offered on surprisingly indirect routes, most notably from or in the US, where the concept that a carrier's limited number of hubs can offer anywhere-to-anywhere journeys means I have met those who journeyed New York to London through Charlotte NC, Albany NY to Washington through Detroit, Seattle to London through Dallas, and a range of other grossly excessive mileage routes.
Presumably Finnair are aiming at passengers being sold routings from Hong Kong to Northern Europe through the Gulf.
OK, point covered, this one can go to the passenger forum now.
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and, say, two six hour sectors in an A330 with a tech stop would burn less fuel than non-stop 11 hours with e.g 777 carrying full sector fuel - therefore more environmentally friendly?
Another example here: Finnish passengers can sometimes get a reasonably good deal to fly from Finland to China on Lufthansa, which means flying Helsinki-Frankfurt first and back again over Finland to China. Or, on British Airways, Helsinki-London first and back over Finland again. Makes sense for the pax perhaps, saving some money, but it also means an extra 6 to 8 hours of wasted time easily and doesn´t sound too good from an environmental point of view.
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Just to make it really simple: two 6-hour sectors do burn less fuel than one 12-hour sector on the same plane.
So the A330 would indeed rule the long-haul skies if the environmentalists had their way.
So the A330 would indeed rule the long-haul skies if the environmentalists had their way.
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I once flew Montreal-Charlotte (including a stop at Pittsburgh)-Gatwick on US Airways because the fare was tempting. United once offered to route me London-San Francisco-Montreal/Toronto (can't remember which) but I gave that one a miss!
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Thought so. In fact I read somewhere a Rolls-Royce boffin saying that if airlines wanted to reduce long haul fuel burn by 15 - 20% at a stroke, just introduce tech stops (assuming not over water sector - clearly!).
Thought so. In fact I read somewhere a Rolls-Royce boffin saying that if airlines wanted to reduce long haul fuel burn by 15 - 20% at a stroke, just introduce tech stops (assuming not over water sector - clearly!).
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Excuse the ignorance from SLF but why does a plane burn less fuel on two 6hr sectors compared to a single 12hr? Surely the additional takeoff and landing use more fuel than cruising along happily at altitude?!
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In fact, more fuel is burned just to carry the weight of the non-stop fuel than is used making a refuelling stop. And if you then use a shorter range aircraft which will be structurally lighter with smaller engines etc, you reduce the fuel burn even more. So while aircraft are being designed with longer and longer (9.000 nm+) range, they are becoming relatively less and less fuel efficient compared to aircraft using the same technologies (light weight materials etc) designed for shorter sectors. Of course, making tech stops is more inefficient in terms of crewing, maintenance costs and user charges so it isn't necessarily more cost efficient overall than non stop.
In fact, more fuel is burned just to carry the weight of the non-stop fuel than is used making a refuelling stop. And if you then use a shorter range aircraft which will be structurally lighter with smaller engines etc, you reduce the fuel burn even more. So while aircraft are being designed with longer and longer (9.000 nm+) range, they are becoming relatively less and less fuel efficient compared to aircraft using the same technologies (light weight materials etc) designed for shorter sectors. Of course, making tech stops is more inefficient in terms of crewing, maintenance costs and user charges so it isn't necessarily more cost efficient overall than non stop.
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Finnair CEO resigns
Finnair CEO Resigns | News | YLE Uutiset | yle.fi
"Finnair President and CEO Jukka Hienonen announced his resignation on Friday. He says he is leaving the job because he is not satisfied with what he has accomplished in the top spot at the national carrier.
Hienonen will continue as Finnair CEO for the time being. His contract specifies a six-month period of notice of resignation.
The board of Finnair has described Hienonen's decision to resign as regrettable.
The company on Friday published bleak second quarter results. Company operations were 32.5 million euros in the red before taxes. Last year, Finnair's second quarter showed a 18.5 million euro profit."
"Finnair President and CEO Jukka Hienonen announced his resignation on Friday. He says he is leaving the job because he is not satisfied with what he has accomplished in the top spot at the national carrier.
Hienonen will continue as Finnair CEO for the time being. His contract specifies a six-month period of notice of resignation.
The board of Finnair has described Hienonen's decision to resign as regrettable.
The company on Friday published bleak second quarter results. Company operations were 32.5 million euros in the red before taxes. Last year, Finnair's second quarter showed a 18.5 million euro profit."
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I hear (from a very well informed source) that he is simply fed up with the unions blocking every move he is trying to make to turn the airline around. He just doesn't need the hassle, so he's walked.
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Mr Hienonen told this morning in finnish broadcasting company's interview that he's piss off for pilots outstanding virtues. Here is some list.
* Room booking delay -> Extra holiday for every 30min
* Room share for another crew member -> Extra holiday + 50€ annoyance
* Raiders for food (company will not pay food)
* Sleeping comittee -> Nogo for Narita 5 star Hilton, they travel to center of Tokyo
Don't forget approx. 140000€/year salary
Nice, very nice
* Room booking delay -> Extra holiday for every 30min
* Room share for another crew member -> Extra holiday + 50€ annoyance
* Raiders for food (company will not pay food)
* Sleeping comittee -> Nogo for Narita 5 star Hilton, they travel to center of Tokyo
Don't forget approx. 140000€/year salary
Nice, very nice
I booked MAN-HEL-HKG for November, but the HEL-HKG was cancelled at short notice, with pretty poor communications from AY.
Never flown with AY & the customer service means I never will !
Re-arranged with SWISS via ZRH whose flights were pretty well full both ways.
Never flown with AY & the customer service means I never will !
Re-arranged with SWISS via ZRH whose flights were pretty well full both ways.