The mystery of the 757
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It's been tried (sort of) by racing drivers of the Cooper F1 team, hence the Mini Cooper in the 60's ;-) Fortunately the 75 has damn good brakes too!
We operate ours at c15 tonnes below MTOW and by all accounts a no de-rated take-off is a kick up the ar$e to be believed, that is 'till ATC and Mr Boeing spoil it with SIDs and exceedance speeds............
The 75 is like a jet 'Twotter' or Mini Cooper, ask her nicely, and she'll do the impossible. AND.......... come back for more.
I refer to all 22 as 'My girls', purely out of respect.
Well done Mr Boeing and RR.
We operate ours at c15 tonnes below MTOW and by all accounts a no de-rated take-off is a kick up the ar$e to be believed, that is 'till ATC and Mr Boeing spoil it with SIDs and exceedance speeds............
The 75 is like a jet 'Twotter' or Mini Cooper, ask her nicely, and she'll do the impossible. AND.......... come back for more.
I refer to all 22 as 'My girls', purely out of respect.
Well done Mr Boeing and RR.
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Oh you can't beat British engineering!
Well...that's what my grandfather used to say!
Having travelled on a number of RR equipped a/c, when walking passed the engines I can often hear people's comments:
"WOW - Rolls Royce!"
Does make the aircraft sound more 'exclusive' for the non-aviators!
Well...that's what my grandfather used to say!
Having travelled on a number of RR equipped a/c, when walking passed the engines I can often hear people's comments:
"WOW - Rolls Royce!"
Does make the aircraft sound more 'exclusive' for the non-aviators!
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Just a visit to my local airport being Glasgow, shows the 757 thankfully is still a very common sight. Unfortunately it dosent seem to have been a high volume model for Boeing hence it was dropped, but it seems that those who operate it are struggling to find a suitable replacement. It does seem to be almost unique with its flexability. You can still see BA examples on the short Glasgow to Heathrow route along with Continental and US Airlines using it to the states, with Thomas Cook using it to Toronto. Then you have the mix of Thomsonfly, Monarch and Thomas Cook flights to all the holiday destinations in Europe and Africa. 737's and A321's won't do Glasgow to Egypt without a costly stop for more fuel or a heavy weight penalty. Not sure what will happen over the next few years with the long thin routes typical of European charter companies if no replacement is found. Neither Boeing or Airbus seem to recognise the void left since the 757 went out of production. The 787 seems more of a suitable replacement for the 767 rather than the 757. Maybe a long range version of the A321 is the answer if it can be done. Its a shame that when in production the 757 was so unappreciated, but now in its twilight years it is so sought after by European charter companys who make full use of its flexiblity. Ive seen articles from both Monarch and Thomas Cook who can't replace the 757 with anything in current production on certain routes. Hindsight is a great thing, maybe Boeing is now regretting not looking at a NG757? What ever happens I'm sure we will remember the 757 as a great unsung hero of the 80's, 90's and 00's. 
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Interestingly AA (American) are now saying the 757 seat mile costs are "a problem" (presumably versus their 737-800)
It's unique performance was very much a serendipitous outcome of the times, and available technology (ended up being "overwinged" and "overengined"). ISTR a study that showed a huge majority of the flights it operates though (95%+ or something) don't need 757 performance. Which is why it has been replaced by B737-900ER. The 787 is a 767 replacement, not 757. Operators are just not interested in paying extra for capability they don't need
It's unique performance was very much a serendipitous outcome of the times, and available technology (ended up being "overwinged" and "overengined"). ISTR a study that showed a huge majority of the flights it operates though (95%+ or something) don't need 757 performance. Which is why it has been replaced by B737-900ER. The 787 is a 767 replacement, not 757. Operators are just not interested in paying extra for capability they don't need
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However - that 5% of the market is still quite important to a number of carriers and without the 757 to regional TATL flights would not have been possible. BRS and BFS wouldn't be able to even dream of a NYC connection without the aircraft.
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757 Memories
Date: ??th February 1983
Place : MAN
Event: First arrival of B757
British Airways showcased the new 757 to Manchester in advance of its introduction on the Shuttle run to London. The aircraft arrived without pax, performing a low-approach and go-around on Runway 06 before making a visual circuit and landing. The event drew the customary crowd to the (now gone) South Bay. The aircraft, G-BIKA I think, parked on the old Domestic Pier at Gate 44, allowing ground staff to familiarise with the type before it departed. Regular Shuttle services began a few weeks later, followed soon after by the introduction of Monarch's first 757s on charters.
Place : MAN
Event: First arrival of B757
British Airways showcased the new 757 to Manchester in advance of its introduction on the Shuttle run to London. The aircraft arrived without pax, performing a low-approach and go-around on Runway 06 before making a visual circuit and landing. The event drew the customary crowd to the (now gone) South Bay. The aircraft, G-BIKA I think, parked on the old Domestic Pier at Gate 44, allowing ground staff to familiarise with the type before it departed. Regular Shuttle services began a few weeks later, followed soon after by the introduction of Monarch's first 757s on charters.
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757 Fact
The B757 currently flies to no less than 52 different destinations from Manchester.
These are:
Agadir, Alicante, Antalya, Bodrum, Burgas, Corfu, Dalaman, Faro, Fuertaventura, Gerona, Heraklion, Hurghada, Ibiza, Ilha do Sal, Kavalla, Kefallinia, Keflavik, Khania, Kos, Lanzarote, Las Palmas, Larnaca, Lourdes, Luxor, Mahon, Malaga, Malta, Marsa Alam, Mitilini, Monastir, Murcia, Naples, New York-Newark, New York-JFK, Palma, Paphos, Preveza, Pula, Reus, Rhodes, Sharm-el-Sheik, Skiathos, Split, Taba, Tel Aviv, Tenerife, Thessalonika, Thira, Toronto, Venice, Verona, Zakynthos.
I can think of no other 200+ seater aircraft that comes anywhere near this total.
These are:
Agadir, Alicante, Antalya, Bodrum, Burgas, Corfu, Dalaman, Faro, Fuertaventura, Gerona, Heraklion, Hurghada, Ibiza, Ilha do Sal, Kavalla, Kefallinia, Keflavik, Khania, Kos, Lanzarote, Las Palmas, Larnaca, Lourdes, Luxor, Mahon, Malaga, Malta, Marsa Alam, Mitilini, Monastir, Murcia, Naples, New York-Newark, New York-JFK, Palma, Paphos, Preveza, Pula, Reus, Rhodes, Sharm-el-Sheik, Skiathos, Split, Taba, Tel Aviv, Tenerife, Thessalonika, Thira, Toronto, Venice, Verona, Zakynthos.
I can think of no other 200+ seater aircraft that comes anywhere near this total.
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I agree with FREEHILLS posting, Airlines have got to account for every penny these days and the 757 has become almost what it set out to replace. I realise that formally the 787 is a replacement for the 767 but looking at articles in the aviation press both Monarch and First Choice,(now TUI), seem to be looking at the 787 as a replacement for their 757's. As the deliveries of the 787 get steadily pushed back many lease agreements on the 757's will be renewed as there is just no perfect replacement. It seems that the small amount of operators who rely on the flexibilty of the 757 are still going to have issues filling the gap. Maybe folk like myself who enjoy frequent breaks to the sunshire of southern Europe and further afield to get away from a cold and always wet Scotland might just need to accept that ticket prices will rise to pay for the fuel top ups on an A320 or 737. Its maybe just not profitable for manufacturers to design and build for this squeezed niche between the 737 900 ER and the 787. The good news in all this is that 75's should be about for a few years yet. To those of us who love to travel in the 757, when they do finally go it will remind us abit at the last days of Concorde, although unfortuately I can't see the 757 ever being the centre of attention at any museums.
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As a TUI eployee, i can assure the 787 's on order are to replace the 767 and not the 757. The longterm plan is to have a fleet of 787 's for longhaul and 737 -800 for shorthaul. However, as much of our work is on the 757 is midhaul, i do n't see how the 737-800 will be able to do this from all the shorter runways in the UK. I hope the wonderful 757 stays around for quite along time.
As a TUI eployee, i can assure the 787 's on order are to replace the 767 and not the 757. The longterm plan is to have a fleet of 787 's for longhaul and 737 -800 for shorthaul. However, as much of our work is on the 757 is midhaul, i do n't see how the 737-800 will be able to do this from all the shorter runways in the UK. I hope the wonderful 757 stays around for quite along time.
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BA,s new 757 1983
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It was the 22nd of February 1983,the reg was G-BIKB and was painted in the BRITISH only livery.I travelled on a demo flight that day in this aircraft for 1 hour.We took off from MAN and flew via Pole Hill up Amber 1 to Prestwick then back via Black Head and the Isle of Man then Airway Red 3 via Wallasey back to MAN.I visited the flight deck en route.A great day out and thanks for reminding me
It was the 22nd of February 1983,the reg was G-BIKB and was painted in the BRITISH only livery.I travelled on a demo flight that day in this aircraft for 1 hour.We took off from MAN and flew via Pole Hill up Amber 1 to Prestwick then back via Black Head and the Isle of Man then Airway Red 3 via Wallasey back to MAN.I visited the flight deck en route.A great day out and thanks for reminding me
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Thank Oceanhawk for the good news that the 757 should be about for another while or so. I admit not working directly in aviation so my knowledge is based on what I read in aviation mags. I am quoting them right but the information must be wrong or has changed since published. Good to see so many supporters of this model! Just booked another flight to the sunshine with Thomas Cook this winter, paid for exit seats which confirmed a return trip on another 757, great!
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Yes the amazing B757 that replace the thirsty Trident with more fuel economical and super powerful engines. BA would go on to buy roughly fifty examples for mainline and Caledonian.
EXCEPT they'll all be gone by next summer. We're getting nostalgic about that shiny new aircraft that's not so new.......the inescapable conclusion? We're getting old! Soon there will be spotters who will never have seen a BA B757.
ERK!!!
EXCEPT they'll all be gone by next summer. We're getting nostalgic about that shiny new aircraft that's not so new.......the inescapable conclusion? We're getting old! Soon there will be spotters who will never have seen a BA B757.
ERK!!!
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markyboy, a longer ranger 321 would be a really useful thing to have- I've sat in a number of Middle East airfields looking at the OFP and the forecast headwind and wishing we could put on another tonne of fuel.
Unfortunately there are two problems. The less serious one is the size of the fuselage- you can fit in some extra tankage (several of ours will hold 21T, a bit more if the fuel is cold enough) but eventually the extra tanks start to cost hold space.
With some revised loading procedures, you might fit some fuel into the tail, but that would still come up against the more serious problem- the wing just isn't big enough. At 79 tonnes we are really struggling to get above FL330- any more weight and the cruise starts to get into turboprop country. What some of our routes really need is a 322- a 321 body with about 10% more wing. I don't see that coming into production anytime soon.
Anyway, this is really thread creep- like most of the posters here I have always loved the 757, although it seems unlikely I will ever fly one. I hope to see them around for many years to come.
Unfortunately there are two problems. The less serious one is the size of the fuselage- you can fit in some extra tankage (several of ours will hold 21T, a bit more if the fuel is cold enough) but eventually the extra tanks start to cost hold space.
With some revised loading procedures, you might fit some fuel into the tail, but that would still come up against the more serious problem- the wing just isn't big enough. At 79 tonnes we are really struggling to get above FL330- any more weight and the cruise starts to get into turboprop country. What some of our routes really need is a 322- a 321 body with about 10% more wing. I don't see that coming into production anytime soon.
Anyway, this is really thread creep- like most of the posters here I have always loved the 757, although it seems unlikely I will ever fly one. I hope to see them around for many years to come.
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Yeah i have to agree the 757 is a fantastic aircraft and very reliable too. I've not been in a 757 for quite a while. I always fly the 757 on the flightsim 2004. It breaks my heart to see them being broken up, it was like the end of an era for Monarch when they broke a couple of theirs up earlier this year.
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First time I'd ever flown was in 1985 as a pax on B757 and I thought it was awesome - the sheer power and acceleration.
After the holiday I stopped in the services on the drive home and bought a couple of magazines to find out how to become a pilot - it made that much of an impression on me.
The next time I flew in any jet aircraft was 10 years later as a F/O on the B757.
It was everything I thought it would be and still is today.
I never tire or get bored flying her as she will always catch out the unwary.
A go anywhere do anything aircraft - quite simply the best.
After the holiday I stopped in the services on the drive home and bought a couple of magazines to find out how to become a pilot - it made that much of an impression on me.
The next time I flew in any jet aircraft was 10 years later as a F/O on the B757.
It was everything I thought it would be and still is today.
I never tire or get bored flying her as she will always catch out the unwary.
A go anywhere do anything aircraft - quite simply the best.