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Ian MacFarlane
I know there will be a lot of guys on the forum who will be aware that Ian had been fighting a long battle with illness.
I'm sorry to say he lost that fight on Friday evening.
Ian will always be remembered as one of the pioneers of aviation photography at Newcastle Airport since the early 1950's.
He was also one of the founder members of TGAE and Air North,producing the monthly magazines North East Air News and Air North.
His airport career included employment with BKS ,Northeast,British Air Services and British Airways and latterly helping Samson Aviation to establish themselves as the primary executive and light aviation handling agent at the airport.
After leaving Samson he worked for Direct Flight at Prestwick until retirement caught up with him!!
A truly total aviation person.
Ian was one of a kind and will be a sad loss to the aviation world and his many friends.
I'm sorry to say he lost that fight on Friday evening.
Ian will always be remembered as one of the pioneers of aviation photography at Newcastle Airport since the early 1950's.
He was also one of the founder members of TGAE and Air North,producing the monthly magazines North East Air News and Air North.
His airport career included employment with BKS ,Northeast,British Air Services and British Airways and latterly helping Samson Aviation to establish themselves as the primary executive and light aviation handling agent at the airport.
After leaving Samson he worked for Direct Flight at Prestwick until retirement caught up with him!!
A truly total aviation person.
Ian was one of a kind and will be a sad loss to the aviation world and his many friends.
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It would be cost prohibitive with petrol and parking to add on. I can get to NCL for not much more than £4 during the day. Ok to get train to LHR as the flights from there are much cheaper. And I would still be left sweating on the KLM connection.
It would be cost prohibitive with petrol and parking to add on. I can get to NCL for not much more than £4 during the day. Ok to get train to LHR as the flights from there are much cheaper. And I would still be left sweating on the KLM connection.
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Sounds like the ticket was China Airlines issued?. If booked via KL the onward flight would have almost certainly been on a KL code.
However I think it is usual on a through ticket (not seperate bookings) for the first carrier in this case KL, in the event of a missed connection caused by them to re book you on an alternative service. Perhaps the KL to BKK on that day was fully booked and the only option was the China Airlines service the next day,( must have been a busy period if that flight was waitlisted). Or perhaps there was a booking condition/endorsement limiting the onward to China Airlines only. However its dissapointing to hear that the passenger was unhappy with attitudes of KL staff. Was it KL staff at AMS that were the problem?
Sounds like the ticket was China Airlines issued?. If booked via KL the onward flight would have almost certainly been on a KL code.
However I think it is usual on a through ticket (not seperate bookings) for the first carrier in this case KL, in the event of a missed connection caused by them to re book you on an alternative service. Perhaps the KL to BKK on that day was fully booked and the only option was the China Airlines service the next day,( must have been a busy period if that flight was waitlisted). Or perhaps there was a booking condition/endorsement limiting the onward to China Airlines only. However its dissapointing to hear that the passenger was unhappy with attitudes of KL staff. Was it KL staff at AMS that were the problem?
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I never forget turning up at Newcastle Airport for a flight on BA to Heathrow to join a BA Partner Airline (Royal Jordanian) to Jordan.
Due to bad weather in London all domestic flights were cancelled and although they could still get me to Jordan that day via either Paris or Amsterdam they refused saying that fare was more expensive than my current one.
They quite simply said 'get the train to London' knowing fine well i'd still miss my connecting flight or travel the next day.........and that was it!!!!!
Thankyou BA!!!!! NOT!!!!
Due to bad weather in London all domestic flights were cancelled and although they could still get me to Jordan that day via either Paris or Amsterdam they refused saying that fare was more expensive than my current one.
They quite simply said 'get the train to London' knowing fine well i'd still miss my connecting flight or travel the next day.........and that was it!!!!!
Thankyou BA!!!!! NOT!!!!
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If you fly NCL to BKK it is China Airlines(CI) that ticket it all, they say they give you a "free" connecting flight to AMS though I am sure it is built into the price as CI is now a lot more expensive than Emirates. I haven't had a chance to have a long conversation with the person(not on a mobile abroad!) but I don't think the was happy with KLM staff at NCL but at AMS they were a lot worse. I have had this myself when I was in transit at BKK in the days when I used KLM all the time and got to the transit desk and got told that the plane(which I had re-confirmed) was full and I wasn't on it. I got stuck on a reserve list. When I complained at AMS they just laughed in my face! They said,"off course we overbook otherwise we would have empty seats". I would think that an empty plane would be a good thing if the seats had been paid for. Imagine getting home one night and finding an estate agent had sold your house(that wasn't on the market) and you now had no house and nowhere to live. I've never flown long haul with KLM again.
highwideandugly
I tried Emirates from NCL in August and didn't enjoy it(long post on the closed thread), mostly with having to wander around Dubai airport for 3 hrs when it should be sleep time and arriving like a zombie.
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I tried Emirates from NCL in August and didn't enjoy it(long post on the closed thread), mostly with having to wander around Dubai airport for 3 hrs when it should be sleep time and arriving like a zombie.
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"if you book NCL-BKK it is China Airlines that ticket it all" Yes if you book with China Airlines.
If you book NCL- BKK via BA(LHR) they issue the tickets, just as KL issue the tickets if you book with KL.
Always best to book the same carrier for the entire journey. Less risk of problems.
Most airlines except the LOCOS I think overbook flights. Its normal practice.
If you book NCL- BKK via BA(LHR) they issue the tickets, just as KL issue the tickets if you book with KL.
Always best to book the same carrier for the entire journey. Less risk of problems.
Most airlines except the LOCOS I think overbook flights. Its normal practice.
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Postcard, Thanks for your post. I have not seen Ian for a couple of years and didn't know he was unwell. I am sure there will be others like me.
A sad loss of another man who lived for aviation. RIP Ian.
A sad loss of another man who lived for aviation. RIP Ian.
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Don't think the average SLF would agree (and they'd be right not to) - they've paid the airline to deliver them and their baggage, not the airport. It's the airlines responsibility to ensure anybody they've got acting for them is doing their job properly.
I agree that SLF would probably not agree with the above but this is where it comes down to the point that passengers know very little as they do not read the terms and conditions
Regardless of who was at fault, it is a situation experienced at many airports and I am quite confident not unique to NCL
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I agree!! why cant we have normal doors? Domestic arrivals is a NIGHTMARE!!!!
It just adds to all the small 'little pains in the a**e' that make your job just a little more tiring , especially when your on min rest!
For example:
*Car park 5,000 miles away, when there are others closer unused!
*Doors that revolve at the same speed as the Earth, if they work at all!
*Lifts slower than an old Skoda
*Secruity measures that are now tighter then anywhere else, including Manchester!! Why do we have to remove belts, shoes, seperate liquids etc etc when no other airport does this and still no seperate staff channel??
Sorry I'm still ranting, there's a pint in it for whoever can get the above sorted!!
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*Secruity measures that are now tighter then anywhere else, including Manchester!! Why do we have to remove belts, shoes, seperate liquids etc etc when no other airport does this and still no seperate staff channel??
And what annoys me is having done all this at NCL and still airside in transit, we have to do it all again at foreign gates. Surely 1 lot of xrays per flight is enough.
And what annoys me is having done all this at NCL and still airside in transit, we have to do it all again at foreign gates. Surely 1 lot of xrays per flight is enough.
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And what annoys me is having done all this at NCL and still airside in transit, we have to do it all again at foreign gates. Surely 1 lot of xrays per flight is enough.
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NO, I meant foreign gates, as in abroad. IE I get checked at ncl and then again at the gate at AMS(or wherever), never having gone landside.
Some airports are worse, you have to go through xrays getting into the airport, then to go airside, then at the gate, all the time my laptop is having to be taken out and put back in my hand luggage.
Last time I got a bottle of water at ncl(airside) and took it on the plane quite happily. It was taken off me at AMS. It all drives me crackers, and in all honesty most of it is for show. If a terrorist wants to blow up a plane he will and there is very little we can do about it. They know all the rules and searches as well as we do.
Some airports are worse, you have to go through xrays getting into the airport, then to go airside, then at the gate, all the time my laptop is having to be taken out and put back in my hand luggage.
Last time I got a bottle of water at ncl(airside) and took it on the plane quite happily. It was taken off me at AMS. It all drives me crackers, and in all honesty most of it is for show. If a terrorist wants to blow up a plane he will and there is very little we can do about it. They know all the rules and searches as well as we do.
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I was searched 3 times at Glasgow Airport before boarding the plane and undoubtedly left my car keys in the tray at one of the security checks..........so after having to get a hire car back to Newcastle, waiting for Alfa to deliver a set of keys and paying for them, another hire car back to Glasgow and then a 10 day NCP Airport parking charge there was very little change out of £1000........i'm sure there is a moral to the story somewhere!!!!
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For heavens sake don't say that to a security agent!! 
Unfortunately, until the government issue a firm set of guidelines and don't allow other airports to make up their own additional rules it will remain a mess.
In a que for security at LGW the other week I heard the passengers in front discussing if they had to remove shoes, or remove belts and that in Germany they did one system and in Spain they do nothing at all etc etc.
Why can't have a common system in all EU countries and a common airside pass or at least, a common UK airside pass for staff??
I'm sure this has been discussed at lenth on other forums and is a common topic in publications by BALPA and CHIRP etc.
It all drives me crackers, and in all honesty most of it is for show
Unfortunately, until the government issue a firm set of guidelines and don't allow other airports to make up their own additional rules it will remain a mess.
In a que for security at LGW the other week I heard the passengers in front discussing if they had to remove shoes, or remove belts and that in Germany they did one system and in Spain they do nothing at all etc etc.
Why can't have a common system in all EU countries and a common airside pass or at least, a common UK airside pass for staff??
I'm sure this has been discussed at lenth on other forums and is a common topic in publications by BALPA and CHIRP etc.
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No, I just smile sweetly(usually, tho' when they took water off me at AMS that had already been ok'd I passed a comment about them getting a nice stock of Xmas presents!). I don't want to give the jobsworths any reason to mess up my much loved holidays.
No, I just smile sweetly(usually, tho' when they took water off me at AMS that had already been ok'd I passed a comment about them getting a nice stock of Xmas presents!). I don't want to give the jobsworths any reason to mess up my much loved holidays.