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Old 17th Jan 2017, 12:54
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so what cargo would be for export? Barbour jackets I guess

the cash already goes to the Gulf in a dedicated service.....................
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Old 17th Jan 2017, 13:46
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Harry,it's been covered before..however there is a lot more "specialised" freight than to the Gulf.
It all goes from Doncaster or Stansted.
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Old 17th Jan 2017, 22:02
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There is a lot of component parts cargo arrives in NCL to feed the Nissan plant in Washington. A lot of it in specially chartered freighters.
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 16:09
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 18:43
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Won't happen. As much as I'd like to see it happen, it won't. Realistically United are the only one who'd ever try it, Newcastle is far down the plucking list. Belfast also lost a service and their EWR service did much better than NCL's service. Maybe Norwegian, but we don't know how their venture will turn out.
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 18:55
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Belfast also lost a service and their EWR service did much better than NCL's service
Did it? How do you know?
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 19:46
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Well BFS to EWR lasted a lot longer than NCL to EWR so AerRyan may have a point.
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 19:49
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He may have a point but his post reads as fact, not opinion, so just seeking clarification (and NCL didn't benefit from tax breaks ).
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 19:49
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As well as the season being longer and loads being higher. Yield is alot, but it's pretty obvious here that BFS-EWR was a much superior route.
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 20:14
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...despite needing government support?
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 20:18
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It didn't get any government support. Still did much better than NCL.

Does this bother you? Shall I tell you a lie?
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 20:19
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Yes, I fail to see how a publically bankrolled route could be described as 'superior' to one operating at commercial risk. As soon as the free money dried up, so did the BFS route.
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 20:25
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It didn't get any government support.
How much APD did the pax pay? If government reducing taxation isn't support, I don't know what is.

Still did much better than NCL.
There you go again. In your opinion you think it did but I'd be very surprised if anybody outside United knows the full picture.

Don't mind people expressing opinions, but lets not dress them up as fact.
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 21:02
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So am I making up that the season was significantly longer, the loads were significantly higher and the route ran for significantly longer?
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 21:43
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Didn't BFS need to pay 10m to keep the route for the next 2 years and United still pulled out ???
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 21:44
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No, Stormont couldn't pay so they pulled out.
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 21:45
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BFS did have better loads in 90% most days and needed 10m funding still.

If that's the case then NCL would need to fund double that if not more.
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 22:14
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Best bets could be American Airlines (One World) which might attract more business traffic or Norwegian or maybe there just isn't the required level of traffic required. United had some very poor loads out of holiday periods.
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 22:17
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Considering AA's recent cuts at MAN and BHX I can't see that happening.
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Old 19th Jan 2017, 14:59
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To be a business friendly "global connectivity" service it would need to be one of the big American network operators to allow onward connections.

If you go with the likes of WOW etc what have they got offer over DUB, AMS, etc so you've got to ask whether they grow the market or just dilute your existing hubs.

Given the mention of Boston in this article, they probably have been talking to Norwegian (or thinking really long term JetBlue?)

John Irving, business development director, says transatlantic services are "not off the table" (From The Northern Echo)

Leaving aside NYC, some other interesting stuff in here.
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