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So how come GA has all but gone from LHR, could a Tomahawk insist on using the place ? If the Owner of said Tomahawk insisted, LHR would have to accept using this right of access law ?
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I read on another rumour site (so it must be true!) that PK are considering their future at MAN, and possibly relocating to the LBA . Anyone else heard this, or should I go grad a pinch of salt or two ?
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I have seen that post as well and to say that individual is hit and miss
would be an understatement. I am sure it has been repeated from his/her
place of work in good faith but that is as good as it gets.
The rumour seems to have started after the announcement of BMI
pulling their long-haul ops from Manchester and a post by what could
be best described as a credible source (as much as anything is credible from that site) claiming that one other operator was reviewing four routes
from it's home base and their Manchester service was one of those four.
The poster did not give any other hint as to who it may be but clearly stated that nothing had been decided.
2+2 = 5?
Pete
I have seen that post as well and to say that individual is hit and miss
would be an understatement. I am sure it has been repeated from his/her
place of work in good faith but that is as good as it gets.
The rumour seems to have started after the announcement of BMI
pulling their long-haul ops from Manchester and a post by what could
be best described as a credible source (as much as anything is credible from that site) claiming that one other operator was reviewing four routes
from it's home base and their Manchester service was one of those four.
The poster did not give any other hint as to who it may be but clearly stated that nothing had been decided.
2+2 = 5?
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A PIA relocation to LBA, is in my opinion, unlikely, unless they are prepared for a major reduction in capacity.
MAN has field availability that is quite superior to LBA, easilly able to take B777's. 2 runways @ 3,048m, 3,198 on request and RFF Cat 9, Cat 10 on request. In comparison, LBA offer 2,250m (TORA 2,113m (14) and 2,190m (32). RFF Cat7, 8-9 on request. MAN offers Cat 3 ILS on 23R and 05R.
The LBA field will give serious performance (pax and freight load) on B777 ops. A300's can operate, probably at the margins of economically, B777's cant.
I seriously doubt that LBA has any potential whatsoever to take the PIA MAN hub, and that they won't follow BA / BMI to LHR. LBA may however take some additional A300 ops.
MAN has field availability that is quite superior to LBA, easilly able to take B777's. 2 runways @ 3,048m, 3,198 on request and RFF Cat 9, Cat 10 on request. In comparison, LBA offer 2,250m (TORA 2,113m (14) and 2,190m (32). RFF Cat7, 8-9 on request. MAN offers Cat 3 ILS on 23R and 05R.
The LBA field will give serious performance (pax and freight load) on B777 ops. A300's can operate, probably at the margins of economically, B777's cant.
I seriously doubt that LBA has any potential whatsoever to take the PIA MAN hub, and that they won't follow BA / BMI to LHR. LBA may however take some additional A300 ops.
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Try getting a 77W to JFK with a full load from LBA.
If you could...you'd make a fortune at RR.
If you could...you'd make a fortune at RR.
A300's can operate, probably at the margins of economically, B777's cant.
The real question is whether they are interested in maintaining the US routes ex MAN as with the 77L they no longer need the stop.
Air India has just pulled BHX-YYZ as well. We shall see.
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Er...77W has an exclusive GE offering.
Anyway, I would be surprised if LBA got MAN's services to Pakistan. I don't know what the passenger figures are from MAN-Pakistan but surely they can hold A310s at least from both MAN and LBA.
Also, EK operate the 77W non-stop from DXB to JFK, can PIA not do the same with theirs or is the few '000 mile difference too big a difference?
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Alas it's not that Rolls Royce couldn't deliver the engine, it's just that due to the contract with GE giving them exclusivity on the 77W that they're not ALLOWED to even offer one. The same goes for the the 747-8.
GE is a risk sharing partner in both programs.
GE is a risk sharing partner in both programs.
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Also, EK operate the 77W non-stop from DXB to JFK, can PIA not do the same with theirs or is the few '000 mile difference too big a difference?
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Manchester's Own Airline
Going back several years ago, I seem to recall in a newspaper interview with a former Chief executive those name I cannot be certain off but it may have been Gil Thompson. In this interview it was mentioned that the airport board had looked into the possibility of setting up it's own presumably Manchester based airline. From what I remember, know reasons were given in the interview as to why the airport board did not pursue this idea any further.
I bring this up because in view of recent airline decisions I wonder weather it may be appropriate to look at the issue again. Would it not be better for the rate payers of Manchester and it's ten boroughs to invest in it's own airline rather than trying to buy all or part of Gatwick.
I bring this up because in view of recent airline decisions I wonder weather it may be appropriate to look at the issue again. Would it not be better for the rate payers of Manchester and it's ten boroughs to invest in it's own airline rather than trying to buy all or part of Gatwick.
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Man - Anu
From a mere SLF observer, are we northerners going to be permanently without a direct route to ANU??? 
Have Virgin Holidays (who regularly block booked BD seats ) had anything to say regarding the route?
MAN-ANU-UVF-MAN from VS would surely be viable wouldn't it?
Have Virgin Holidays (who regularly block booked BD seats ) had anything to say regarding the route? MAN-ANU-UVF-MAN from VS would surely be viable wouldn't it?
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Reference a MAPLC airline, I'll quote Branson here, when he was asked how to make a million in the airline business: "start with £2m".
Perhaps Geoff could stump up the £2m out of his salary, bonuses and local authority inflation-proof pension that he's built up over the last 15 years.
BTW, Rowena got out just in time, eh? Good girl.
Perhaps Geoff could stump up the £2m out of his salary, bonuses and local authority inflation-proof pension that he's built up over the last 15 years.
BTW, Rowena got out just in time, eh? Good girl.
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are we northerners going to be permanently without a direct route to ANU
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BMI ran it for a while and it made so much money they stopped. Oh wait that's the reason they stop flying every route from Manchester.........
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Can a kind person reconfirm just how many PIA flights go through Manchester and to where both west and eastbound? Thanks.
Was there not a rumour a few months ago on a.net that PIA were keen enough to start a service to Dublin once they sorted out some capacity for a new Barcelona flight? If PIA were really eager to try Dublin I guess it might be relatively easy to take a pair of flights out of Manchester and transfer it over to Dublin and see how it goes?
There is certainly plenty of enthusiasm even amongst the Pakistani community in the Cork and surrounding areas for an Ireland - Pakistan link. I am all up for an Air Blue A321 flight myself to Cork! Got to at least think +ve!
Was there not a rumour a few months ago on a.net that PIA were keen enough to start a service to Dublin once they sorted out some capacity for a new Barcelona flight? If PIA were really eager to try Dublin I guess it might be relatively easy to take a pair of flights out of Manchester and transfer it over to Dublin and see how it goes?
There is certainly plenty of enthusiasm even amongst the Pakistani community in the Cork and surrounding areas for an Ireland - Pakistan link. I am all up for an Air Blue A321 flight myself to Cork! Got to at least think +ve!
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Jet 2 to base another 757 at MAN
From UK Airport News
Jet2 has announced that it will base another 229-seat Boeing 757 at Manchester Airport to meet growing demand, in addition to helping ease capacity issues following the demise of XL Airways. It will create 25 new jobs as a result of the expansion.
The budget airline has confirmed that its ninth 757 would be stationed at Manchester Airport.It will be used to increase capacity on its newly launched Dalaman and Sharm el Sheikh routes, which have seen strong sales, as well as filling the void left by the loss of flights from XL Airways, notably on Tenerife and Heraklion services.
Philip Meeson, Jet2.com boss said: ‘At a time when many of our competitors are cutting back services and reducing capacity, we are increasing ours. We are not just taking advantage of gaps left by others, but expanding the capacity on our own popular routes.'
‘For example, since we launched Dalaman in Turkey, sales have been so strong that we are doubling the frequency for this route. Excellent sales and customer demand on our Sharm el Sheikh service have also prompted us to make this route all year round.’
Jet2 has announced that it will base another 229-seat Boeing 757 at Manchester Airport to meet growing demand, in addition to helping ease capacity issues following the demise of XL Airways. It will create 25 new jobs as a result of the expansion.
The budget airline has confirmed that its ninth 757 would be stationed at Manchester Airport.It will be used to increase capacity on its newly launched Dalaman and Sharm el Sheikh routes, which have seen strong sales, as well as filling the void left by the loss of flights from XL Airways, notably on Tenerife and Heraklion services.
Philip Meeson, Jet2.com boss said: ‘At a time when many of our competitors are cutting back services and reducing capacity, we are increasing ours. We are not just taking advantage of gaps left by others, but expanding the capacity on our own popular routes.'
‘For example, since we launched Dalaman in Turkey, sales have been so strong that we are doubling the frequency for this route. Excellent sales and customer demand on our Sharm el Sheikh service have also prompted us to make this route all year round.’
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Tom , here's PK's MAN timetable for Nov...
PK701 13:40 17:30 M* T - T F* - Su A310 ISB (*B77W)
PK709 15:00 17:00 - - W - F - - B77W LHE
PK711 09:20 11:20 - - - - - Sa - B772 KHI>JFK
PK712 07:30 09:30 - - - - - - Su B772 JFK>KHI
PK721 10:25 12:20 - - W - - - - B77W KHI>JFK
PK722 07:30 09:30 - - - T - - - B77W JFK>KHI
Unless I've missed owt, or I can't count, then that makes just 11 flights per week. I didnt realise they had reduced so much already...November 2006 they had 24 per week, and I think they may have had more that that at some point.
PK701 13:40 17:30 M* T - T F* - Su A310 ISB (*B77W)
PK709 15:00 17:00 - - W - F - - B77W LHE
PK711 09:20 11:20 - - - - - Sa - B772 KHI>JFK
PK712 07:30 09:30 - - - - - - Su B772 JFK>KHI
PK721 10:25 12:20 - - W - - - - B77W KHI>JFK
PK722 07:30 09:30 - - - T - - - B77W JFK>KHI
Unless I've missed owt, or I can't count, then that makes just 11 flights per week. I didnt realise they had reduced so much already...November 2006 they had 24 per week, and I think they may have had more that that at some point.
Last edited by eggc; 12th Nov 2008 at 06:35. Reason: mme teeside spotted I cant count !!!
