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Old 18th Sep 2008, 14:49
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Not sure if this is old news or not but it was only posted today on this website.
Looks like the crew unions had their own proposals.

ANSA.it - News in English - Alitalia: Unions present offer
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Old 18th Sep 2008, 14:51
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Sept. 18 (Bloomberg) -- Alitalia SpA's bidding group CAI dropped its offer for Italy's largest airline after failing to win the support of all nine labor unions for the government- backed rescue plan, news agency Radiocor reported.

The group, led by Piaggio & C. SpA Chairman Roberto Colaninno, withdrew its bid to buy assets from Rome-based Alitalia, the news agency said, citing people familiar with the situation.
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Old 18th Sep 2008, 14:54
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If ALITALIA fails, Italy fails
It's a bit late for that... the whole country has been unfit for purpose for at least five years.

Alitalia will never go bust - the govt. will step in
That's what the Pilots union are pinning ALL their hopes on. When you have a job in Italy, in many cases you got it by using a family connection or actually bribing an official to get it. Italian labor law makes it extremely hard to terminate someone for poor performance, so.....

.....Much of the time the attitude is... This is my job, it is bought and paid for. That's a difficult mentality to get past.
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Old 18th Sep 2008, 15:03
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It's a bit late for that... the whole country has been unfit for purpose for at least five years.
Well...not correct...Italy won the world cup

That's what the Pilots union are pinning ALL their hopes on. When you have a job in Italy, in many cases you got it by using a family connection or actually bribing an official to get it. Italian labor law makes it extremely hard to terminate someone for poor performance, so.....

.....Much of the time the attitude is... This is my job, it is bought and paid for. That's a difficult mentality to get past.
Seems that you a lot of insight about the job market in Italy, unfortunately are pretty wrong...poor performance is a valid reason for dismissal according to the Italian labor law, agreed that the law makes extremely hard to terminate the job...
Anyway the bribing or family connection is an insult to millions of Italians that deserve they job and got it by merit.
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Old 18th Sep 2008, 15:04
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Quote from spicejetter:

"It would appear true - but I still stand by what I said before - Alitalia will never go bust - the govt. will step in - expect an announcement in a few hours. Perhaps it will renationalise. It will not go. Good thing - there are enough out of work pilots out there."

Not a good thing. Subsidised airlines like Alitalia undercut everyone else. Other airlines go bust - pilots lose jobs. Or other airlines can't raise prices because too much supply in the market - pilots pay held down.

Economics 101.
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Old 18th Sep 2008, 15:06
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@Fequenct SLF:

"Seems that you a lot of insight about the job market in Italy, unfortunately are pretty wrong...poor performance is a valid reason for dismissal according to the Italian labor law, agreed that the law makes extremely hard to terminate the job...
Anyway the bribing or family connection is an insult to millions of Italians that deserve they job and got it by merit."

Yes, but those who got their jobs on merit work in the private sector......
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Old 18th Sep 2008, 15:08
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"It would appear true - but I still stand by what I said before - Alitalia will never go bust - the govt. will step in - expect an announcement in a few hours. Perhaps it will renationalise. It will not go. Good thing - there are enough out of work pilots out there."

Not a good thing. Subsidised airlines like Alitalia undercut everyone else. Other airlines go bust - pilots lose jobs. Or other airlines can't raise prices because too much supply in the market - pilots pay held down.

Economics 101.
Alitalia is already bankrupt. The appointed commissary, if cannot find a buyer, will start to sell assets to pay for the debts. The government will not step in because cannot step in
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Old 18th Sep 2008, 15:10
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@marchino61

Yes, but those who got their jobs on merit work in the private sector......
And I am referring to those millions!
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Old 18th Sep 2008, 15:23
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It is official the offer has been dropped.

Blaming game is already started.
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being European but not Italian, i hope the EU will be strong and not tolerate any government funding of Alitalia, not even as a "loan"

Enough is enough
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Old 18th Sep 2008, 15:30
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I( was speaking to a couple of Italians last week, and I asked them about Alitalia, they said everything was fine, and a deal would be reached!

Could it be that Italy as a nation, is just in denial about Alitalia? They have seen so many near-collapses before, that they believe even now that the Govt., or the EU will step in and rescue it?
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Old 18th Sep 2008, 15:31
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And now the EU Transport Commissioner should fine the Italian government for all its past illegal subsidies of ALITALIA, which are very well documented.

Why is the Greek government being forced to repay illegal subsidies to Olympic and not the Italians over ALITALIA?
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